Mandated vaccines or weekly testing for employers of 100+ people.......

[buckwacker]

Pfizer has full FDA approval. Last I read, Moderna had filed, or was planning to file, for full approval.

Full approval has little to do with safety, but rather efficacy. Safety is largely established through Phase 1 and 2 clinicals. Unless safety is established, an IND doesn't even make it to Phase 3, which is what is used to establish efficacy - and which is the basis for final market authorization. (Safety is monitored through pharmacovigilance; initial market release is often referred to as a "Phase 4" clinical study.)

Those IND data are available, and do not show particular safety concerns. Thus, for someone to claim that the vaccine is "toxic", or "poison", or otherwise unsafe, that person bears the burden to provide evidence of the claim.

It makes it easy to discount everything else you say, when you make such specious claims. This is simply not true.

Phase 1, 2, and 3 trials take on average 1, 2, and 3 years respectively. But now you're going to claim, we got through development, IND, clinical trials, NDA, review, and approval in months.

It was a sham process.

 

[chipbennett]

It makes it easy to discount everything else you say, when you make such specious claims. This is simply not true.

Phase 1, 2, and 3 trials take on average 1, 2, and 3 years respectively. But now you're going to claim, we got through development, IND, clinical trials, NDA, review, and approval in months.

It was a sham process.

Discount whatever you'd like.

And, hey, challenge the overall approval process. It certainly isn't immune (pun intended?) to political and financial pressure. For example, just look at the controversy over the recent Aducanumab (Alzheimer's drug) approval, over the objection of the adcomm, that led to several adcomm member resignations.

Development (again) has been happening for decades. IND is clinical trials. And averages are just that: averages. NDA, review, and approval did happen very quickly - no challenging that. But the supporting safety/efficacy data are there. This is an unusual case, in that, thanks to the EUA, millions of doses were administered prior to final market authorization.

 

[Magyars]

 

[Magyars]

Facebook and Instagram Censor Project Veritas Video of Federal Health Care Professionals Admitting Heinous Side Effects of COVID Vaccine - Big League Politics

This is a massive conspiracy.

bigleaguepolitics.com

 

[buckwacker]

Discount whatever you'd like.

And, hey, challenge the overall approval process. It certainly isn't immune (pun intended?) to political and financial pressure. For example, just look at the controversy over the recent Aducanumab (Alzheimer's drug) approval, over the objection of the adcomm, that led to several adcomm member resignations.

Development (again) has been happening for decades. IND is clinical trials. And averages are just that: averages. NDA, review, and approval did happen very quickly - no challenging that. But the supporting safety/efficacy data are there. This is an unusual case, in that, thanks to the EUA, millions of doses were administered prior to final market authorization.

So are you saying they've been developing the covid vaccine for years, or the mrna technology? Technology yes, but not in humans. How do you develope a vaccine for something that you don't know exists? Pharma companies don't participate in pure crap shoots. We went from no such thing as covid19 to a "safe" vaccine in months. I can't help you if you think that's possible. Hell, they now had to change the criteria for efficacy because it didn't do what they originally promised it would, prevent infection.

 

[rhamersley]

So are you saying they've been developing the covid vaccine for years, or the mrna technology? Technology yes, but not in humans. How do you develope a vaccine for something that you don't know exists? Pharma companies don't participate in pure crap shoots. We went from no such thing as covid19 to a "safe" vaccine in months. I can't help you if you think that's possible. Hell, they now had to change the criteria for efficacy because it didn't do what they originally promised it would, prevent infection.

Wasting your time....

 

[Alpo]

Dig a hole. Throw the dirt back in.
Dig the same hole. Throw the dirt back in.
Dig it again. Throw....

...you get the picture. This stuff has been hashed around repeatedly for a year. Chipbennett provided (in my estimation) the clearest summary of everything you guys are recycling once again.

But, that's INGO.

 

[buckwacker]

Dig a hole. Throw the dirt back in.
Dig the same hole. Throw the dirt back in.
Dig it again. Throw....

...you get the picture. This stuff has been hashed around repeatedly for a year. Chipbennett provided (in my estimation) the clearest summary of everything you guys are recycling once again.

But, that's INGO.

Are you digging or throwing, I'm getting confused.

 

[jsharmon7]

Facebook and Instagram Censor Project Veritas Video of Federal Health Care Professionals Admitting Heinous Side Effects of COVID Vaccine - Big League Politics

This is a massive conspiracy.

bigleaguepolitics.com

I’m trying to look at both sides of this. When I Google any of these medical professionals, the only thing that comes up is links to the Veritas story. Is there anything out there to show who these people are and confirm they’re “federal doctors?” Otherwise, this could just as easily be me and my idiot friends sitting around talking.

 

[Keith_Indy]

I’m trying to look at both sides of this. When I Google any of these medical professionals, the only thing that comes up is links to the Veritas story. Is there anything out there to show who these people are and confirm they’re “federal doctors?” Otherwise, this could just as easily be me and my idiot friends sitting around talking.

Well, at least the one lady being interviewed did show their government issued ID badge. Didn't watch the whole thing, so maybe more.

 

[Tombs]

Pfizer has full FDA approval. Last I read, Moderna had filed, or was planning to file, for full approval.

Full approval has little to do with safety, but rather efficacy. Safety is largely established through Phase 1 and 2 clinicals. Unless safety is established, an IND doesn't even make it to Phase 3, which is what is used to establish efficacy - and which is the basis for final market authorization. (Safety is monitored through pharmacovigilance; initial market release is often referred to as a "Phase 4" clinical study.)

Those IND data are available, and do not show particular safety concerns. Thus, for someone to claim that the vaccine is "toxic", or "poison", or otherwise unsafe, that person bears the burden to provide evidence of the claim.

Pfizer does not have full FDA approval, this is misinformation.

The vaccine they had approved will not be available for years. If it was made available currently, all other vaccines would have to be removed from the market due to the EUA.
Calling it "legally distinct but the same" is BS. The one that is approved doesn't have the same legal immunity as the one you can receive from them. If it was FDA approved, you could sue if you were injured by it.

 

[Tombs]

You know, saying that, well everyone in the records we studied recovered from myopericarditis, is not all that reassuring.

1 case per 1000 inoculations. Doesn't seem all that safe to me.

mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination and Development of CMR-confirmed Myopericarditis

Introduction Several case reports or small series have suggested a possible link between mRNA COVID vaccines and the subsequent development of myocarditis and pericarditis. This study is a prospective collection and review of all cases with a myocarditis/pericarditis diagnosis over a 2-month...

www.medrxiv.org

Found via https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...eath-rate-within-5-years-risk-higher-dying-v/

Yeah they like to downplay how serious that condition is by not reminding people that your heart doesn't "heal" from it. So your lifespan is significantly reduced, and odds of complications later in life go up dramatically.

The average person has no idea what myocarditis is and what it means long term. And that's intentional.

 

[Tombs]

I’m trying to look at both sides of this. When I Google any of these medical professionals, the only thing that comes up is links to the Veritas story. Is there anything out there to show who these people are and confirm they’re “federal doctors?” Otherwise, this could just as easily be me and my idiot friends sitting around talking.

I would imagine efforts were made, before the interview, to scrub available data to prevent doxxing.

Dropping your full name and profession would otherwise be a recipe to have people show up at your house.

 

[NKBJ]

Just watched a video clip of a doctor telling about a pharmaceutical company telling employees that when they test positive for the bug they don't have to stay home if they are vaccinated. Still wrapping my brain around it.

 

[Tombs]

Just watched a video clip of a doctor telling about a pharmaceutical company telling employees that when they test positive for the bug they don't have to stay home if they are vaccinated. Still wrapping my brain around it.

These people either have no sense and no understanding of the illness, or they're malicious.
The vaccine does not prevent covid, it does not prevent spreading covid, and it's debatable as to whether it reduces viral load or not. It's just another percentage gain of defense against it, at best.

The intellectually honest who buy into all this need to realize this. If you're vaccinated, you still need a mask, you need to test regularly because you could have unnoticeable symptoms, and your viral load can be higher or lower than an unvaccinated person. You will also need boosters to program your immune system for new variants.

Like I said, it's a percentage risk reduction for covid at best.

 

[erasure]

BLM NYC co-founder promises more actions against vaccine mandates, citing racism

“The vaccination passport is not a free passport to racism,” said Chivona Newsome.

thepostmillennial.com

BLM and Nikki Minaj have done more against this ******** than Trump and the entire GOP.

 

[NKBJ]

These people either have no sense and no understanding of the illness, or they're malicious.
The vaccine does not prevent covid, it does not prevent spreading covid, and it's debatable as to whether it reduces viral load or not. It's just another percentage gain of defense against it, at best.

The intellectually honest who buy into all this need to realize this. If you're vaccinated, you still need a mask, you need to test regularly because you could have unnoticeable symptoms, and your viral load can be higher or lower than an unvaccinated person. You will also need boosters to program your immune system for new variants.

Like I said, it's a percentage risk reduction for covid at best.

It was included in yesterday's news in case you'd like to watch.

Some video of the maniacs down under was included as well.
Looking at Australia by example it appears they are correct in their assessment, that police officers here have some unpleasant decision making coming their way.

TruNews

TruNews is the world's leading news source that reports, analyzes, and comments on global events and trends with a conservative, orthodox Christian worldview.

www.trunews.com

 

[KLB]

I’m trying to look at both sides of this. When I Google any of these medical professionals, the only thing that comes up is links to the Veritas story. Is there anything out there to show who these people are and confirm they’re “federal doctors?” Otherwise, this could just as easily be me and my idiot friends sitting around talking.

I have no knowledge of who they are, but I do know that Veritas seems to be careful about what they publish. They are in court a lot, and lying about stuff like this would kill them there.

 

[tim87tr]

I’m trying to look at both sides of this. When I Google any of these medical professionals, the only thing that comes up is links to the Veritas story. Is there anything out there to show who these people are and confirm they’re “federal doctors?” Otherwise, this could just as easily be me and my idiot friends sitting around talking.

Well, at least the one lady being interviewed did show their government issued ID badge. Didn't watch the whole thing, so maybe more.

I started the Fed Whistleblower thread:

Fed Whistleblower Vaccine Dangers!

This could be it! Enlightenment for the normies, those without a deep dive knowledge of tyranny and depopulation. The Government has absolutely no credibility! This has to be a better chance of changing minds than Mikey my pillow audit attempt, although that should eventually come out in the...

www.indianagunowners.com

I agree it is tabloid style made for TV and I personally don't like that sort of thing. It's also what's effective, just a chance at getting people to use their brain in a censored social media world. Where has common sense and cognitive thinking abilities gone?

I'm going to add the follow up videos as they are released. My thoughts were to just get the info out there for people to absorb, get the synapses firing, and make a damn decision for themselves and others they care about. A lot of division and arguing, exactly what any evil entity would want, less focus on them.

I have strong opinions on what I believe. After a 19 month crap show I have no idea how anyone believes the US government and others worldwide, zero credibility. A draconian push for a shot resulting in an extreme loss of freedoms makes no sense at all.

 

[Magyars]

I’m trying to look at both sides of this. When I Google any of these medical professionals, the only thing that comes up is links to the Veritas story. Is there anything out there to show who these people are and confirm they’re “federal doctors?” Otherwise, this could just as easily be me and my idiot friends sitting around talking.

It is difficult to get the facts. Put ten " experts" in a room and you'll get a dozen different answers.
My gut tells me that the FedGov doesn't have the best interest of the public at heart.