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  • BehindBlueI's

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    Ehh... You got the better deal anyhow. As much as I like pretty much all things BB, half of what makes that show just about infinitely re-watchable for me is that it's also beautifully shot and beautifully set. Those big bright blue New Mexico skies are just breath taking. I've never seen them in person, but you have. :thumbsup:

    The only place I'd want to go is where ever that giant pizza came from, which I believe is a real restaurant.

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    NM was a lot of fun. I went out for the Bataan Memorial Death March, but they cancelled it as that was COVID started, so I ended up just doing stuff in NM and TX on my own. I've got a photo from the top of a mountain over looking ABQ printed on canvas hanging in my office now (along with several others from various trips). I didn't eat pizza. Too many Tex-mex/southwestern places to try. I mostly just day-hiked, either alone or with my buddy. There's a few places with a ton of petroglyphs that are super interesting.
     

    maxwelhse

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    NM was a lot of fun. I went out for the Bataan Memorial Death March, but they cancelled it as that was COVID started, so I ended up just doing stuff in NM and TX on my own. I've got a photo from the top of a mountain over looking ABQ printed on canvas hanging in my office now (along with several others from various trips). I didn't eat pizza. Too many Tex-mex/southwestern places to try. I mostly just day-hiked, either alone or with my buddy. There's a few places with a ton of petroglyphs that are super interesting.

    Just that pizza place I would have had to go to. I can only imagine the tex-mex out there. :drool:
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    Just that pizza place I would have had to go to. I can only imagine the tex-mex out there. :drool:

    He took me to this place that was in a "transitional neighborhood" (a police helicopter was looking for someone a few blocks over while we ate) that looked like a small engine repair shop, only dirtier. No inside seating. No umbrellas over the derelict skeletons of picnic tables outside. I knew it was going to be awesome, because there wasn't anyone going there for the ambiance....

    I was unfamiliar with sopapillas, but that was there specialty. Absolutely phenomenal.
     

    maxwelhse

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    He took me to this place that was in a "transitional neighborhood" (a police helicopter was looking for someone a few blocks over while we ate) that looked like a small engine repair shop, only dirtier. No inside seating. No umbrellas over the derelict skeletons of picnic tables outside. I knew it was going to be awesome, because there wasn't anyone going there for the ambiance....

    I was unfamiliar with sopapillas, but that was there specialty. Absolutely phenomenal.

    We have our share of places a bit like that around here and I haven't managed to convince myself to try them yet. This one is highly regarded.

    The street view is a bit newer than my last drive-by and it looks like they've cleaned the joint up a bit. It's way less "stabby" now.

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    I guess a couple of the Mexican grocery stores up here have taquerias in them that are quite good too.
     

    Leadeye

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    Had those, chilaquiles, and cajeta when I worked south of the border, all good, but not something I see up here. Working south of the border I was invited to meals at the homes of a number of people I worked with. I returned the favor by cooking food like fried turkey and other US stuff that they were unfamiliar with. It astounded some that a gringo from El Norte would actually work their kitchen to prepare food for them.
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    Yeah they are.

    When you say TX, are you talking about the El Paso area?

    That trip was. I flew into El Paso and stayed there a few days. I day hiked Franklin Mountain and some other stuff in the area. Saw the Border Patrol museum, then headed to NM.
     

    KLB

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    That trip was. I flew into El Paso and stayed there a few days. I day hiked Franklin Mountain and some other stuff in the area. Saw the Border Patrol museum, then headed to NM.
    Cool. That is a pretty and dry area. :):
    I also had my first Sopapillas in that area, Las Cruces to be exact. Enchiladas were big in that area.
     

    AtTheMurph

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    Let me see if I understand this....store shelves here are low or even bare but we're selling beef to china.
    We're going green but we're selling coal to china! I guess pollution doesn't cross the Pacific!

    So why exactly does it matter?

    If Australia is not selling it's barley to China, it will sell it to the same people the USA was selling to before. We are just swapping trade partners.

    Look at it like this. Australia produces 100 bushels of barley for export 9100bs more than domestic consumption uses). They had sent to China last year. This year, China says No Barley from Australia and goes out and buys it from the USA.

    The USA last year had sold 100 excess bushels of barley to Scotland. No we sell that barley to China and Scotland buys the 100 bushels from Australia. It really doesn't matter unless you want to simply remove the 100 bushels of barley from the total global amount available so that China cannot get it or has to pay more to get it and everyone else will pay more as well because without the 100 bushels barley prices will go up as supply drops.)
     

    Magyars

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    So why exactly does it matter?

    If Australia is not selling it's barley to China, it will sell it to the same people the USA was selling to before. We are just swapping trade partners.

    Look at it like this. Australia produces 100 bushels of barley for export 9100bs more than domestic consumption uses). They had sent to China last year. This year, China says No Barley from Australia and goes out and buys it from the USA.

    The USA last year had sold 100 excess bushels of barley to Scotland. No we sell that barley to China and Scotland buys the 100 bushels from Australia. It really doesn't matter unless you want to simply remove the 100 bushels of barley from the total global amount available so that China cannot get it or has to pay more to get it and everyone else will pay more as well because without the 100 bushels barley prices will go up as supply drops.)
    I don't know about you but I consider any country that has nuclear weapons aimed at us as a potential enemy.
    I prefer not selling to our enemies....
    I cannot fathom how selling our commodities overseas benefits American citizens?
    Maybe doesn't matter to you. But it matters to me!
     

    Ingomike

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    I don't know about you but I consider any country that has nuclear weapons aimed at us as a potential enemy.
    I prefer not selling to our enemies....
    I cannot fathom how selling our commodities overseas benefits American citizens?
    Maybe doesn't matter to you. But it matters to me!

    It is the same old liberal tripe. If we just be nice to them they will not [fill in the blank]...
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    I don't know about you but I consider any country that has nuclear weapons aimed at us as a potential enemy.
    I prefer not selling to our enemies....
    I cannot fathom how selling our commodities overseas benefits American citizens?
    Maybe doesn't matter to you. But it matters to me!

    We sell to them for the same reason they sell to us. We're both huge economies and want access to the other's markets. We're so intertangled at this point that severing the connection entirely would cause serious economic harm. China's market for American products continues to grow as their consumers become more affluent. IIRC, roughly 10% of Ford's global sales are in China now.
     

    AtTheMurph

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    I don't know about you but I consider any country that has nuclear weapons aimed at us as a potential enemy.
    I prefer not selling to our enemies....
    I cannot fathom how selling our commodities overseas benefits American citizens?
    Maybe doesn't matter to you. But it matters to me!

    Nobody has nuclear weapons "aimed" at anyone.

    China is not our enemy. They happen to be our #3 trading partner. I don't usually consider our trading partners as enemies unless of course they attack us.

    And selling our commodities, and other goods and services benefits American citizens because it brings wealth back to this country in the form of goods and services and commodities FROM China. It's a two way street unless you want to simply devalue the dollar so much with one way trade as to make all Chinese goods completely unaffordable to the average American. But with that comes the reduction in standard of living that no American should ever want, but will eventually get. (refer to 'Triffin Dilemma' for description.)

    Maybe having trading partners and a higher standard of living doesn't matter to you, but it does to me. Maybe the idea that close trading partners rarely go to war doesn't matter to you, but it matter to me. Maybe the idea that trade wars often turn into shooting wars doesn't matter to you, but it matter to me.

    I would much prefer to be neutral, trade with anyone who wants to fairly trade with us, protect our borders and people and leave all the other BS to the rest of the world, just as the founders of the country envisioned.
     

    Magyars

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    Nobody has nuclear weapons "aimed" at anyone.

    China is not our enemy. They happen to be our #3 trading partner. I don't usually consider our trading partners as enemies unless of course they attack us.

    And selling our commodities, and other goods and services benefits American citizens because it brings wealth back to this country in the form of goods and services and commodities FROM China. It's a two way street unless you want to simply devalue the dollar so much with one way trade as to make all Chinese goods completely unaffordable to the average American. But with that comes the reduction in standard of living that no American should ever want, but will eventually get. (refer to 'Triffin Dilemma' for description.)

    Maybe having trading partners and a higher standard of living doesn't matter to you, but it does to me. Maybe the idea that close trading partners rarely go to war doesn't matter to you, but it matter to me. Maybe the idea that trade wars often turn into shooting wars doesn't matter to you, but it matter to me.

    I would much prefer to be neutral, trade with anyone who wants to fairly trade with us, protect our borders and people and leave all the other BS to the rest of the world, just as the founders of the country envisioned.
    Your welcome to your opinions...
    There's plenty of information out there that says otherwise in regards tonchicomms being our enemy....all ya gotta do is look for it...
     
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