US selling Beef. Coal, and Barley to chicomms

[Magyars]

Let me see if I understand this....store shelves here are low or even bare but we're selling beef to china.
We're going green but we're selling coal to china! I guess pollution doesn't cross the Pacific!

US goods replace Aussie imports of frozen beef, barley and coal amid latter's deteriorating relations with China - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Maybe one of our steel mill guys can chime in, but I think "coking coal" is used for blast furnaces and the like for steel making. "Thermal coal" is what is used in power plants. I wonder if that increase in exports is hurting the domestic steel makers by driving up coal pricing or if it's not been a factor.

Like it or not, our economy and China's economy are pretty intertangled.

 

[foszoe]

Let me see if I understand this....store shelves here are low or even bare but we're selling beef to china.
We're going green but we're selling coal to china! I guess pollution doesn't cross the Pacific!

US goods replace Aussie imports of frozen beef, barley and coal amid latter's deteriorating relations with China - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

Farmers would be outraged if they couldn't sell to China. It cost Trump some of the agricultural vote.

 

[NKBJ]

Can't help it, this reminds me of the Irish starving while the lords shipped their grain harvests out of the country.

 

[Leadeye]

Always follow the money

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Maybe one of our steel mill guys can chime in, but I think "coking coal" is used for blast furnaces and the like for steel making. "Thermal coal" is what is used in power plants. I wonder if that increase in exports is hurting the domestic steel makers by driving up coal pricing or if it's not been a factor.

Like it or not, our economy and China's economy are pretty intertangled.

Not a steel mill guy but your pretty spot on, coking coal is used to make coke which is what the mills use. And the coke plants are some nasty places.

Can't help it, this reminds me of the Irish starving while the lords shipped their grain harvests out of the country.

How many people do you see starving? The US has the fattest poor people in the world.

 

[rooster]

We have been selling coal to the Chinese for years.

One guy I knew years ago worked the river barges. Anyway he said all they did was run “dirty” coal down to New Orleans to get loaded onto ships to sell around the world and then would run back up river with “cleaner” burning coal to bring to the power plants of the Midwest

 

[Expat]

Can't help it, this reminds me of the Irish starving while the lords shipped their grain harvests out of the country.

They wanted to depopulate Ireland if I remember correctly.

 

[NKBJ]

They wanted to depopulate Ireland if I remember correctly.

I know the lords wanted to make a profit but I don't recommember whether there was an intent to cut back on the numbers or not.

 

[wagyu52]

Trust me, cattle farmers/ranchers are not seeing an up tick in price due to sales in China. It all goes to the packers

 

[Leo]

They wanted to depopulate Ireland if I remember correctly.

And they did not need an engineered virus or an experimental nanoTech injection to do it?

 

[actaeon277]

Coal and Coke has gone up.
But there are multiple reasons.
More US coke plants shutting down due to increasingly stringent EPA requirements.
More steel mills needing a dwindling supply of coke.
Spare parts have gone up, therefore anything using parts goes up.
and so on
and so on

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Coal and Coke has gone up.

I don't know about coal, but I've heard that coke used to go for about $100 a gram back in the 80's. Cheaper if you bought in quantity.

 

[actaeon277]

I don't know about coal, but I've heard that coke used to go for about $100 a gram back in the 80's. Cheaper if you bought in quantity.

More like $100 per ton or so. But that was old prices.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

More like $100 per ton or so. But that was old prices.

Oh man. I, er, I mean someone could've made some serious money at those prices!

 

[maxwelhse]

...poison it first?

Coal and Coke has gone up.
But there are multiple reasons.
More US coke plants shutting down due to increasingly stringent EPA requirements.
More steel mills needing a dwindling supply of coke.
Spare parts have gone up, therefore anything using parts goes up.
and so on
and so on

I have a considerable position in a coal holding company that has finally turned green for the first time in the last 2 years. It took a green energy Democrat to get into office for my coal stock to go up.

All signs point to it soaring in the next 12-18 months too.

 

[actaeon277]

Oh man. I, er, I mean someone could've made some serious money at those prices!

Try carrying an old Allen Bradley programming terminal across/along rail tracks with coke spillage.

This was what was "portable" in the 90s.
You can break a leg.

 

[maxwelhse]

Try carrying an old Allen Bradley programming terminal across/along rail tracks with coke spillage.

This was what was "portable" in the 90s.
You can break a leg.
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In a facility that big you guys don't have trikes?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Try carrying an old Allen Bradley programming terminal across/along rail tracks with coke spillage.

This was what was "portable" in the 90s.
You can break a leg.
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Spillage was always a problem.

 

[phylodog]

I won’t blame the cattle farmers for selling to China. I can’t afford to buy it any more and they’ve got to recoup their investment somehow.