HB 1369 constitutional carry bill introduced for Indiana

[IndyDave1776]

name names

I a m thinking Brown and Braying Ass.

 

[Hawkeye]

I think we absolutely have to do that. Gun owners are paying attention and having an "R" after your name doesn't get you a pass.

Brown is up for re-election in 22, Bray in 24. Brown's district is in Ft Wayne. Bray's is in Morgan/Putnam Counties, more convenient for me but 2022 is coming soon.

What will we do? What does it look like? Who will be involved? I have no idea. But having no idea has never stopped me before!

I'm guessing an advertising campaign. Maybe supporting an opposition candidate in the Primary. Id even go so far as organizing support for the Dem in the General election if either of these survive the Primary.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Right. That all follows what I heard on Relfords show.

I'm a little lost here though as to why. When nominally left leaning politicians do **** like block single payer and pass the ACA instead, I know why -- they want to give payola to special interests (large insurers in that case.)

What's the advantage for local GOP politicians to shank sensible 2A protections here? There's some sort of wrinkle that I'm not understanding.

More importantly, given that I like in Garydise, what can I do to try and help for the next go round, other than sending some treasure to Relford's org?

Get to know who runs the state: https://www.indianachamber.com/

 

[IndyDave1776]

Get to know who runs the state: https://www.indianachamber.com/

Very well said.

I would emphasize that although the CoC controls the R party, they are certainly NOT conservatives, which is why they bring us RINOs.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I a m thinking Brown and Braying Ass.

I will add Mike Bohacek to the list as well, since he informed me that he was against it.

 

[jwamplerusa]

I have written to the Indiana GOP twice in the last five days regarding the events surrounding HB1369, SB49 and 199. I have been blunt, but courteous that the Republican party's performance on these important bills is unacceptable.

I was direct and honest in communicating that what I am looking for in my representation is a constitutionally focused organization and candidates. If the Republican Party of Indiana cannot provide that, I will put my support elsewhere.

It would be my hope that if enough Hoosiers sent the same message the party administrators might find better candidates and pressure the weak to show a little more spine.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I have written to the Indiana GOP twice in the last five days regarding the events surrounding HB1369, SB49 and 199. I have been blunt, but courteous that the Republican party's performance on these important bills is unacceptable.

I was direct and honest in communicating that what I am looking for in my representation is a constitutionally focused organization and candidates. If the Republican Party of Indiana cannot provide that, I will put my support elsewhere.

It would be my hope that if enough Hoosiers sent the same message the party administrators might find better candidates and pressure the weak to show a little more spine.

I was blunt anyway.

The constitutional carry bill was the final straw. I will NOT be voting Republican in the future

 

[Mgderf]

I have written to the Indiana GOP twice in the last five days regarding the events surrounding HB1369, SB49 and 199. I have been blunt, but courteous that the Republican party's performance on these important bills is unacceptable.

I was direct and honest in communicating that what I am looking for in my representation is a constitutionally focused organization and candidates. If the Republican Party of Indiana cannot provide that, I will put my support elsewhere.

It would be my hope that if enough Hoosiers sent the same message the party administrators might find better candidates and pressure the weak to show a little more spine testicular fortitude.

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FIFY

 

[goldtrigger]

2024 is a bit too long to wait. Any thoughts to lobbying to change leadership? Any in the Senate who might want to take over the position Bray currently holds?
I like Relfords idea of billboards in Bray's and Brown's district. I think he should post them downtown near the capital so they can be seen by the senators especially before they vote on a leader.

 

[BiscuitsandGravy]

Primary those two jackasses and the rest will probably get with the program.

We should have this thread 'sticky'd. I will commit $ to whoever primaries Bray and Brown.

They should both hear loud and clear that they will be primaried.

Edit: When they wait up in the morning to take a pess, the first thing they should remember is, 'sheet, I'm going to be primaried'...

 

[Jaybird1980]

We should have this thread 'sticky'd. I will commit $ to whoever primaries Bray and Brown.

They should both hear loud and clear that they will be primaried.

Edit: When they wait up in the morning to take a pess, the first thing they should remember is, 'sheet, I'm going to be primaried'...

There is already a sticky thread for this purpose.

2021 Legislative Session Thread

It is getting that time of the year. I just saw Jim Lucas post on the Book of Faces that he is introducing a Constitutional Carry Bill in the upcoming session, HB1034.

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[gregr]

Bottom line is this: We deserve constitutional carry in Indiana. We don`t need to ask permission from government in order to freely exercise a constitutionally protected right. With constitutional carry, those considered to be "prohibited persons" are STILL prohibited from carrying. And law enforcement having an issue with it is too bad. We don`t need permission from government and certainly not from law enforcement, to exercise our Second Amendment rights.

 

[DataGeek19]

What is funny about this topic is that essentially we have constitutional carry in Indiana for the carry of long guns; however, some people want to portray that the sky is falling when legislation is proposed to remove the license requirement to carry a handgun.

During the last legislative session there was much discussion about the need to improve law enforcement systems. Prior to that, some have proposed a creation of a “prohibited persons” database. Neither are needed.

Will someone point out to me any type of system improvements or additional databases the states with constitutional carry put in place? None of them did!

NCIC and Indiana’s interface to it (IDACS) is just as good as any of the systems deployed in the twenty or so states now enjoying constitutional carry. If none of those states did anything different regarding their systems, why should Indiana?

The key to the success is a simple ideology change. Law Enforcement in the twenty constitutional carry states realize officers shouldn’t take any investigatory or enforcement steps based on the mere presence of a gun. For us, Pinner versus State is the simple confirmation.

Investigatory action, to include Triple I or any other IDACS/NCIC query should only be taken when a suspected crime is being investigated. The mere presence of a firearm is not a crime.

My advice for legislators when they convene again is to deploy the K.I.S.S. Principle; keep it simple and pass constitutional carry!

• Keep licensing for those who travel and don’t rename it “reciprocity” license.
• Simply remove the requirement of a license to carry while in Indiana for those not prohibited from possessing a firearm. Don’t complicate the issue.
• Learn from the other states who already have constitutional carry. Don’t reinvent the wheel. If they didn’t create something new, neither should Indiana.
• Start now to educate not only the legislators who are against constitutional carry but also the law enforcement entities who have their ear. Each year a constitutional carry bill has been introduced, the opposition by law enforcement has steadily decreased. Stay the course and correct the misinformation that remains.

 

[KellyinAvon]

What is funny about this topic is that essentially we have constitutional carry in Indiana for the carry of long guns; however, some people want to portray that the sky is falling when legislation is proposed to remove the license requirement to carry a handgun.

During the last legislative session there was much discussion about the need to improve law enforcement systems. Prior to that, some have proposed a creation of a “prohibited persons” database. Neither are needed.

Will someone point out to me any type of system improvements or additional databases the states with constitutional carry put in place? None of them did!

NCIC and Indiana’s interface to it (IDACS) is just as good as any of the systems deployed in the twenty or so states now enjoying constitutional carry. If none of those states did anything different regarding their systems, why should Indiana?

The key to the success is a simple ideology change. Law Enforcement in the twenty constitutional carry states realize officers shouldn’t take any investigatory or enforcement steps based on the mere presence of a gun. For us, Pinner versus State is the simple confirmation.

Investigatory action, to include Triple I or any other IDACS/NCIC query should only be taken when a suspected crime is being investigated. The mere presence of a firearm is not a crime.

My advice for legislators when they convene again is to deploy the K.I.S.S. Principle; keep it simple and pass constitutional carry!

• Keep licensing for those who travel and don’t rename it “reciprocity” license.
• Simply remove the requirement of a license to carry while in Indiana for those not prohibited from possessing a firearm. Don’t complicate the issue.
• Learn from the other states who already have constitutional carry. Don’t reinvent the wheel. If they didn’t create something new, neither should Indiana.
• Start now to educate not only the legislators who are against constitutional carry but also the law enforcement entities who have their ear. Each year a constitutional carry bill has been introduced, the opposition by law enforcement has steadily decreased. Stay the course and correct the misinformation that remains.

How are you at public speaking? Just read aloud what you posted and you'll blow the doors off the antis at an IGA committee hearing.

 

[actaeon277]

Except there was no creation of a database.
It was using an existing database.

 

[DataGeek19]

Except there was no creation of a database.
It was using an existing database.

The opposition of constitutional carry by some law enforcement groups is supposedly centered around the concern of not knowing who should be carrying and who is prohibited from doing so if the licensing requirement is taken away. Legislators have attempted to address their concerns throughout different versions of constitutional carry bills going back to 2017 and beyond.

Past discussions have included the creation of a prohibited persons database. As you have pointed out, HB1369 did not specifically mention a database. Here is the language from the bill’s digest - “...Provides that the following must develop a process that allows law enforcement officers the ability to quickly access information about whether a person is a prohibited person who may not knowingly or intentionally carry a handgun...”.

The point to be made is none of the current constitutional carry states changed their criminal justice information systems. As previously pointed out in my post, Indiana’s system (IDACS) that interfaces NCIC is just as good as any of the systems deployed in the twenty or so states now enjoying constitutional carry. The topic of developing the ability for law enforcement to quickly access information on whether a person is prohibited from carrying a handgun is simply .

Investigatory action, to include the query of any information from the “development of a process” as proposed in HB 1369 should only be taken when a suspected crime is being investigated. The mere presence of a firearm is not a crime.

And... Let it sink in that there is no requirement in Indiana to have a license to carry a long gun! Yet there are people who are prohibited from the possession of firearms. Where is this special “process” to determine who can possess a longun?Then why is one needed for handguns?

Maybe instead of saying “Let’s bring on constitutional carry” the new rallying cry should be “Expand constitutional carry to include handguns”...however, that maybe too long and not catchy enough.

 

[DataGeek19]

How are you at public speaking? Just read aloud what you posted and you'll blow the doors off the antis at an IGA committee hearing.

I am not sure how I would be at public speaking. Is it like karaoke? Do they serve cocktails?

 

[Hawkeye]

I am not sure how I would be at public speaking. Is it like karaoke? Do they serve cocktails?

Cocktails can be arranged, after the event.

 

[KLB]

They are probably needed before in order to put up with politicians.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I am not sure how I would be at public speaking. Is it like karaoke? Do they serve cocktails?

Stick with the karaoke, skip the cocktails. Just think of the poor roosters with no tails!