Here come the Biden gun control EOs...

[jamil]

...500K COVID deaths due to inept policies, massive unemployment, massive increase in debt, loss of world leadership, more powerful Russia, N.Korea, China, massive administrative exits due to corruption, insurrection, failure to secure elections(Lol), trade war, etc, etc, etc...

You taking the blame for all that?

Uh. There is so much wrong with this I don't even want to start. Or maybe you're trying to say it's an issue of perception, because what you just said there is by no means reality. But if that's the case then you'd need to be saying that Biden's EO's re: guns is perception. And I'm afraid that's actually real.

 

[JTScribe]

See? Now you think that because I’m trying to redirect you guys back to reality that I must agree with Kut.

Here’s my opinion on Chipman. He’s an anti-gun zealot. I’m pretty confident that Biden picked him because he plans to use the ATF—correction, Biden renamed it to AFT—to further restrict guns.

About the Waco photo, I don’t know if he directly participated or not. The photo is evidence that suggests tacit support of it, and that’s enough for me as further reasoning that this man should not be allowed anywhere near a seat of power.

Does he need to be locked up? Well, if you have evidence of a crime, file charges and prosecute him. That’s how we do it in a constitutional Republic under the rule of law, rather than the whims of ideologues.

Yeah, that’s why Lon Horiuchi is rotting in jail and not in witness protection. Oh, wait.

 

[jamil]

Yeah, that’s why Lon Horiuchi is rotting in jail and not in witness protection. Oh, wait.

Rule of law doesn't always work when the side in power doesn't believe in it. So you wanting to say **** the founders and go all in on mob rule too? Just the other mob?

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'm trying my best to make truth relevant. And again, to whatever extent Chipman may deserve whatever punishment you've imagined, there is a process that a constitutional Republic with rule of law goes about it. And if we're saying we're dispensing with the rule of law because it's not always followed when we want it, then we're not a constitutional Republic either. Probably time to stop being patriotic too. Paraphrasing something Trump said, we're either a country or we're not. If we're a country of mob rule, just not lefty mob rule, then **** the founders, right?

Where have I suggested ditching process? If I were going down that path, I would suggest organizing a road trip and hanging the ****er.

 

[DadSmith]

...500K COVID deaths due to inept policies, massive unemployment, massive increase in debt, loss of world leadership, more powerful Russia, N.Korea, China, massive administrative exits due to corruption, insurrection, failure to secure elections(Lol), trade war, etc, etc, etc...

You taking the blame for all that?

Really who was president when the Spanish flu hit the United States? Was he held responsible for a virus that no one can stop? Just stop with that stupidity. No person can stop s virus. If so who so we blame for Aids/HIV, the Flu, the Swine Flu etc etc. That is absolutely stupid imo to blame a person for a virus. Except maybe the Chinese who made it and brought it to the United States as a biological weapon.

Oh so you are calling the "protests" massive insurrection now. Interesting. Actually he can't stop a protest unless the governor of the state allows him to do so. That's on you Democrats.

Russia NK China are more powerful because we have a weak leader in office now.

 

[JTScribe]

Rule of law doesn't always work when the side in power doesn't believe in it. So you wanting to say **** the founders and go all in on mob rule too? Just the other mob?

No, I just don’t think it’s fair to dismiss someone’s concerns by saying “well, file charges and prosecute him” when we have examples it doesn’t work.

 

[jamil]

Where have I suggested ditching process? If I were going down that path, I would suggest organizing a road trip and hanging the ****er.

It sounded like you were saying that it doesn't matter the process. But if you're agreeing that whatever he deserves should be determined by rule of law, then I guess we've resolved whatever we had in dispute.

 

[IndyDave1776]

...500K COVID deaths due to inept policies, massive unemployment, massive increase in debt, loss of world leadership, more powerful Russia, N.Korea, China, massive administrative exits due to corruption, insurrection, failure to secure elections(Lol), trade war, etc, etc, etc...

You taking the blame for all that?

So I am responsible for the actions of 50 governors when I was only allowed to vote against one? Trump is guilty for leaving the matter to the states exactly as the constitution requires?

 

[jamil]

No, I just don’t think it’s fair to dismiss someone’s concerns by saying “well, file charges and prosecute him” when we have examples it doesn’t work.

It's not a dismissal. I did say I think the guy has a depraved mind. And if he participated I think he deserves whatever remedies the law has for him. I'm just saying that it needs to be done by rule of law, not rule of mob.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Really who was president when the Spanish flu hit the United States? Was he held responsible for a virus that no one can stop? Just stop with that stupidity. No person can stop s virus. If so who so we blame for Aids/HIV, the Flu, the Swine Flu etc etc. That is absolutely stupid imo to blame a person for a virus. Except maybe the Chinese who made it and brought it to the United States as a biological weapon.

Oh so you are calling the "protests" massive insurrection now. Interesting. Actually he can't stop a protest unless the governor of the state allows him to do so. That's on you Democrats.

Russia NK China are more powerful because we have a weak leader in office now.

No one could stop Jordan either, but you could contain him. I’m not blame Trump for starting the virus, I blame him for his administration’s idiotic response

 

[Kutnupe14]

So I am responsible for the actions of 50 governors when I was only allowed to vote against one? Trump is guilty for leaving the matter to the states exactly as the constitution requires?

Huh?

 

[IndyDave1776]

No one could stop Jordan either, but you could contain him. I’m not blame Trump for starting the virus, I blame him for his administration’s idiotic response

Following the Constitution is idiotic? Thank you for this clarification.

 

[jbombelli]

Is there anyone here that truly didn't see this coming? Who here didn't think this would be how things go with Joe?

Wait until a Supreme Court nomination comes along.

 

[DadSmith]

No one could stop Jordan either, but you could contain him. I’m not blame Trump for starting the virus, I blame him for his administration’s idiotic response

I don't consider the Flu contained it still infects millions a year. So who do we blame for that? Surely someone is to blame for the flu.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Huh?

I narrowly focused on covid to the neglect of your other points, disagreement with those other points notwithstanding.

 

[Tombs]

Again you're saying that voting for someone means you agree with everything the person does. I did not vote for the things Trump did that I did not want him to do. You live with the bad as well as the good. I'm not gonna defend someone voting for Biden. If the bad he's gonna do, like you know what he's gonna do on guns, that is unacceptable. It's not a position I'd defend personally. But it's also not the same thing as supporting it, or wanting it to happen.

Trump didn't run on gun control.

Biden did, as a focal point of his campaign. He's doing exactly what his voters asked him to do.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Is there anyone here that truly didn't see this coming? Who here didn't think this would be how things go with Joe?

Wait until a Supreme Court nomination comes along.

That is a difficult question. Apparently those who say they would vote for him again apprive of the train wreck he is creating. Those silent on taking a mulligan should have known better but in reality may or may not have.

 

[Tombs]

...500K COVID deaths due to inept policies, massive unemployment, massive increase in debt, loss of world leadership, more powerful Russia, N.Korea, China, massive administrative exits due to corruption, insurrection, failure to secure elections(Lol), trade war, etc, etc, etc...

You taking the blame for all that?

Everything you said is basically the opposite of reality and what actually happened.

It's astonishing you can say that outside of purple considering it only took 3 months for the biden admin to have us rapidly approaching ww3.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Following the Constitution is idiotic? Thank you for this clarification.

Clear as mud. Don’t place your linear thinking onto my thoughts.

 

[jamil]

This isn't the thread for this, but blaming Trump for the covid deaths is idiotic. COVID hit the world. The blame for that lies squarely on china. Our high death rates are due in part to Democratic governors who did the same thing Cuomo did. But asside from that our numbers per capita are not the worst in the Western world. Which is astonishing given our unique position in the world. Blaming 500K deaths on Trump is absurd.

Trump's response was mostly competent, but mostly thanks to Pence's task force. Trump's handling of the public relations of the virus response was inept, but that didn't cause real harm other than twisting some very eagerly twisted panties.