Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man part II

[DoggyDaddy]

Do you understand the point in making? What’s there to disagree with then?

I know that BLM has white supporters. I think what jamil was referring to is post-BLM (and maybe pre-BLM?). See his post below:

I didn’t say BLM made it unsafe for white people. I did say that I did not feel safe in downtown Louisville because people who did not say the words the angry mob wanted said were treated as enemies.

They were not hostile to “white allies”. And if you want a definition, ask one of the woke leaders.

 

[JCSR]

So now BLM is meant to generally reference simply menacing Black people?

You need to take off your racism goggles. BLM is not a skin color. There are white people burning and looting as well. As jamil noted, white people are confronted (road blocks or sidewalks) and asked if they support the cause. I have not heard of any black people being confronted. But I think most decent people black or white are staying away from downtown Louisville.

 

[Kutnupe14]

If the shoe fits ....

Well hell, that’s some serious privilege. I could sworn the guys Rittenhouse put an end too would’ve been described as BLM supporters, but hell, I guess not. It only apply when the people are Black. We doing the one drop/one person rule to determine which protests are considered BLM?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

So now BLM is meant to generally reference simply menacing Black people?

I think that would be NFAC. Another example of black-on-black violence, but in their case it involved shooting themselves apparently.

 

[Kutnupe14]

You need to take off your racism goggles. BLM is not a skin color. There are white people burning and looting as well. As jamil noted, white people are confronted (road blocks or sidewalks) and asked if they support the cause. I have not heard of any black people being confronted. But I think most decent people black or white are staying away from downtown Louisville.

You said BLM was making Louisville unsafe for “White Folks.” If there are White People in Louisville that are affiliated with BLM, then that’s problematic to your original race-baiting statement.

 

[JCSR]

You said BLM was making Louisville unsafe for “White Folks.” If there are White People in Louisville that are affiliated with BLM, then that’s problematic to your original race-bating statement.

And I explained it very well in the following post. Either you can't or won't accept it.

 

[IndyDave1776]

This kinda sounds like you have been listening to right wing sources calling the trial, a lot like those listening to left wing commenters calling the trial. They think the prosecution has it in the bag.

But if you’ve been watching the testimony, it’s not as clear as you seem to think. The coroner did not say that Floyd’s death was caused by Drugs, and not Chauvin’s actions. What he said does no more than establish what I think is a reasonable doubt.

I got the same thing from the portions of the trial I watched. The only way I see a conviction is jury nullification in favor of the mob.

 

[Kutnupe14]

And I explained it very well in the following post. Either you can't or won't accept it.

If your posting history wasn’t what it was, that might be an acceptable excuse. But your history is what it is.

 

[BugI02]

Well hell, that’s some serious privilege. I could sworn the guys Rittenhouse put an end too would’ve been described as BLM supporters, but hell, I guess not. It only apply when the people are Black. We doing the one drop/one person rule to determine which protests are considered BLM?

How I judge a threat is unique to the situation, and skin color does not figure into it. The 'one drop' reference is just stupid - if you only have 'one drop' of 'coloured' blood, how would I even be able to tell. You're just hyping the narrative.That type of genealogy-based discrimination is not what we're talking about

What we're talking about is people marching through Wauwatosa and breaking windows and threatening people whose only crime was not being vocal enough in supporting BLM, the whole silence=violence canard. If you make me feel threatened in my own home or heaven forbid while my wife and I are out, hopefully you're right with God

 

[JCSR]

If your posting history wasn’t what it was, that might be an acceptable excuse. But your history is what it is.

In my posting history I call it like it is. You interject racism into every thread and the strawman the thread till it's closed or deleted.

 

[jamil]

If George Floyd’s murderer is not sentenced, just know that all hell is going to break loose. Don’t be surprised when buildings are on fire. Just saying.”
—Maya Nichols, #BlackLivesMatter activist

So says the BLM co-founder and activist, who says all white people are racists and can’t be anything but racist, now living in a $1.4M home near Malibu, amongst all those racists in a neighborhood that’s only 0.4% black. And it’s good to diversify the neighborhood, but she seems quite happy to live amongst all those racists. Maybe she plans to be a missionary among the savages in the suburbs of LA.

 

[KLB]

The sergeant from LA? I watched that whole thing and I didn’t see any such thing debunked.

So you didn't hear any of this?

Now Nelson asked Stiger if it would be appropriate for an officer holding a suspect in custody, and knowing that the suspect was in medical distress and required advanced medical care, to maintain restraint of that suspect until EMS arrived to ensure he received that care when EMS arrived. Yes, answered Stiger, that would be a reasonable use of force.

Nelson asked if an officer placing a knee on the base of the neck across the shoulder blades was an appropriate use-of-force technique in the correct circumstances. Yes, answered Stiger.

In fact, you were trained that way, asked Nelson? Yes.

Nelson asked if the MPD training materials reviewed by Stiger suggested that officers should take particular care providing CPR, if doing so required removing handcuffs (as it would), because the training informed officers that the suspect may come to and be agitated and ready to fight? MPD training does teach that, Stiger answered.

In fact, you have had that same training yourself? Yes.

A suspect was passed out, came to, and fought you more, you’ve had that personal experience as police officer? Yes, answered Stiger.

 

[nonobaddog]

So, I'm guessing you haven't actually been to much of Wyoming

Actually I have.

There are different ways to measure rurality. (I don't know if that is a word - whatever)

One way would be to use land area. I don't agree with this method.

Another way is to use population and where they live. This makes more sense to me. So a whole bunch of land with three people in it doesn't count for much other than the three people. Alaska would have a bazillion square miles of unpopulated land area. Does this mean it is rural? I think not, it just makes it big. Wyoming is like that on a smaller scale. Of all the population in Wyoming, a certain percentage live in cities and a certain percentage are rural. It so happens that a fairly large percentage of the population of Wyoming live in cities. A larger percentage than most of the other states.

The most common way to compare states I have seen is to pick a population size of a city/town such as 50,000 people. Then population that live in a city/town with more than 50,000 are not rural and everybody else is rural. Then you compare the percentages from state to state.

When you do this Wyoming is less rural than Minnesota as well as less rural than the majority of the states because of the percent of people that are not rural.

https://dailyyonder.com/how-rural-a...er than the national average of 28.8 percent.

https://stacker.com/stories/2779/states-biggest-rural-populations

 

[Kutnupe14]

In my posting history I call it like it is. You interject racism into every thread and the strawman the thread till it's closed or deleted.

Yeah, I’ve heard that before. Only a certain subset of people believe that’s true.

 

[jamil]

So now BLM is meant to generally reference simply menacing Black people?

Not all BLM supporters are racist activists. BLM can mean two things. One, the people who are legitimately protesting police treatment of Black people. And then there are the woke activist terrorists.

So you didn't hear any of this?

Did you read an article or did you listen to the several hours of testimony, including the direct, the cross, and the redirect? I watched the whole exchange. The prosecutor did manage to square some things back up on his redirect, and then the defense re-squared some things. But by no means was it reasonably "debunked" when you listen to all the testimony and the context of all the questions. The bottom line, Stiger still said the force was excessive.

I think it was definitely a win for the defense. But the extent of the win was establishing more reasonable doubt about the how appropriate was Chauvin's actions.

 

[KLB]

Actually I have.

There are different ways to measure rurality. (I don't know if that is a word - whatever)

One way would be to use land area. I don't agree with this method.

Another way is to use population and where they live. This makes more sense to me. So a whole bunch of land with three people in it doesn't count for much other than the three people. Alaska would have a bazillion square miles of unpopulated land area. Does this mean it is rural? I think not, it just makes it big. Wyoming is like that on a smaller scale. Of all the population in Wyoming, a certain percentage live in cities and a certain percentage are rural. It so happens that a fairly large percentage of the population of Wyoming live in cities. A larger percentage than most of the other states.

The most common way to compare states I have seen is to pick a population size of a city/town such as 50,000 people. Then population that live in a city/town with more than 50,000 are not rural and everybody else is rural. Then you compare the percentages from state to state.

When you do this Wyoming is less rural than Minnesota as well as less rural than the majority of the states because of the percent of people that are not rural.

https://dailyyonder.com/how-rural-a...er than the national average of 28.8 percent.

https://stacker.com/stories/2779/states-biggest-rural-populations

Well, your second link does not support your point.

#25. Minnesota​

- 2010 rural population: 26.7% of state (54.7% decrease since 1910)

#13. Wyoming​

- 2010 rural population: 35.2% of state (49.9% decrease since 1910)

 

[jamil]

So, I'm guessing you haven't actually been to much of Wyoming

I stopped at a gas station in central Wyoming. It was early afternoon. I had to ****. It had the worst gas station men's room I've ever seen. And that's saying quite a bit about gas station men's rooms. Probably should have just stopped and pissed on the side of the road. I went quite a bit out of the way to get to that gas station. It's not like anyone would have seen me. Hell. I think I could have pissed in the middle of the road for that matter. That's why Wyoming came to mind.

 

[nonobaddog]

Well, your second link does not support your point.

#25. Minnesota​

- 2010 rural population: 26.7% of state (54.7% decrease since 1910)

#13. Wyoming​

- 2010 rural population: 35.2% of state (49.9% decrease since 1910)

Argh, you got me on that one. I was going by the first one. All I did was find Minnesota on the second one. Apparently it matters how you define rural, go figure.

 

[jamil]

Actually I have.

There are different ways to measure rurality. (I don't know if that is a word - whatever)

One way would be to use land area. I don't agree with this method.

Another way is to use population and where they live. This makes more sense to me. So a whole bunch of land with three people in it doesn't count for much other than the three people. Alaska would have a bazillion square miles of unpopulated land area. Does this mean it is rural? I think not, it just makes it big. Wyoming is like that on a smaller scale. Of all the population in Wyoming, a certain percentage live in cities and a certain percentage are rural. It so happens that a fairly large percentage of the population of Wyoming live in cities. A larger percentage than most of the other states.

The most common way to compare states I have seen is to pick a population size of a city/town such as 50,000 people. Then population that live in a city/town with more than 50,000 are not rural and everybody else is rural. Then you compare the percentages from state to state.

When you do this Wyoming is less rural than Minnesota as well as less rural than the majority of the states because of the percent of people that are not rural.

https://dailyyonder.com/how-rural-a...er than the national average of 28.8 percent.

https://stacker.com/stories/2779/states-biggest-rural-populations

Using population and where they live is probably the most accurate if you're trying to measure cultural influences of rural life. But, if you're trying to decide where the least likely to encounter woke ideas, I'd say Wyoming is a safe bet. That county where the gas station was I pissed in, OMG. That was the most rural place I think I've ever been. You could see forever it seemed. Not a house or building in sight other than the gas station. I have no idea why they stuck a gas station right there other than that it may have been somewhere close to the center of the county. I'm pretty sure that wherever the county seat was, that'd probably be a safe place to hold a trial.

 

[nonobaddog]

I stopped at a gas station in central Wyoming. It was early afternoon. I had to ****. It had the worst gas station men's room I've ever seen. And that's saying quite a bit about gas station men's rooms. Probably should have just stopped and pissed on the side of the road. I went quite a bit out of the way to get to that gas station. It's not like anyone would have seen me. Hell. I think I could have pissed in the middle of the road for that matter. That's why Wyoming came to mind.

Yes, I have hunted in Wyoming and I have spent some time in Gillette and of course had to go to Jackson - the home of the Jackalope. Lots of land there, just not many people. I believe they have the lowest population density of the 48, Montana must be close, Alaska of course is the lowest.