Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man part II

[Jaybird1980]

They sure tried pretty hard to get use of force LT. Mercil to insinuate that Chauvin was applying an unapproved neck restraint.

 

[T.Lex]

Seems like the 5-circle loop that the training guy talked about was a more complicated version of the OODA loop.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Seems like the 5-circle loop that the training guy talked about was a more complicated version of the OODA loop.

Seemed like a 3 circle loop to me.
Observe, Decide, Act. seems like it was a simpler version to me.

 

[nonobaddog]

And the BLM is already threatening to burn the city down if not found guilty

"Cities Will Be on Fire" - Black Lives Matter Activist Warns "All Hell Will Break Loose" If Officer Chauvin Is Not Convicted in George Floyd Death | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Black Lives Matter activist Maya Echols, who is also a signed model with IMG Worldwide, warned in a recent Tik-Tok video that “cities will burn” if Police Officer Derek Chauvin is not convicted in the death of drug addict and thief George Floyd.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

So why aren't these obvious terrorists censored, arrested, locked up, etc., etc.?

 

[BigRed]

And the BLM is already threatening to burn the city down if not found guilty

"Cities Will Be on Fire" - Black Lives Matter Activist Warns "All Hell Will Break Loose" If Officer Chauvin Is Not Convicted in George Floyd Death | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Black Lives Matter activist Maya Echols, who is also a signed model with IMG Worldwide, warned in a recent Tik-Tok video that “cities will burn” if Police Officer Derek Chauvin is not convicted in the death of drug addict and thief George Floyd.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Color me shocked..... Burn Loot Murder is nothing but a front organization of useful idiots for commie scum. To Hell with them.

 

[Jaybird1980]

So why aren't these obvious terrorists censored, arrested, locked up, etc., etc.?

Seems like a blatant threat to me

 

[Timjoebillybob]

The ME report/death certificates are not intended for public consumption despite being public records, even in highly publicized cases. The words are used in specific ways, and can be twisted into a Rorschach test.

The report you're referencing also supports the contention that if Chauvin had stopped doing whatever he was doing in a timely way, Floyd would not have died the way he actually died. We don't know if he would've died in some other way, at some other time. But that's not what the jury has to decide.

It will be important to see what the ME/coroner says, along with the other experts that the State has listed.

How about his press release? And yes it can support that contention, doesn't necessarily mean it did. And I thought the ME testified yesterday, but I just checked it was the ER Dr. who treated him. When the prosecutor questioned him he stated that hypoxia was the most likely cause of the cardiac arrest. When questioned by the defense he stated from what he observed and what he was told by the paramedics report it was caused by hypoxia but that it can be caused by opioids or meth.

 

[T.Lex]

Seems like a blatant threat to me

Huh? Even here on INGO, people are predicting riots/mayhem if Chauvin is acquitted. Are those threats?

 

[T.Lex]

How about his press release? And yes it can support that contention, doesn't necessarily mean it did. And I thought the ME testified yesterday, but I just checked it was the ER Dr. who treated him. When the prosecutor questioned him he stated that hypoxia was the most likely cause of the cardiac arrest. When questioned by the defense he stated from what he observed and what he was told by the paramedics report it was caused by hypoxia but that it can be caused by opioids or meth.

So that's the importance of being on the jury. What they heard and understood is what's important.

The ER doc said that generally it can be caused by drugs, but that in his opinion in Floyd's case, it was not those things.

 

[nonobaddog]

Huh? Even here on INGO, people are predicting riots/mayhem if Chauvin is acquitted. Are those threats?

Wow! That is a stretch. I assume you know better.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Huh? Even here on INGO, people are predicting riots/mayhem if Chauvin is acquitted. Are those threats?

If the people on Ingo are the ones to take part in the Burning of Cities then yes it's a threat.

Did INGO members or BLM members burn cities last year?

 

[T.Lex]

If the people on Ingo are the ones to take part in the Burning of Cities then yes it's a threat.

Did INGO members or BLM members burn cities last year?

Not every black person participated either.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Not every black person participated either.

Please quote my post where I insinuated all black people participated.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

So that's the importance of being on the jury. What they heard and understood is what's important.

The ER doc said that generally it can be caused by drugs, but that in his opinion in Floyd's case, it was not those things.

Do you have a link? I can't find his complete testimony. But in the one's I've found he doesn't seem to state that. Although the defense can get a copy of depositions by the prosecutor, is that correct? If so the ME's testimony should be quite interesting, especially with what's been released so far. From the summary
"It appeared to Dr. Baker that the pressure to the neck was coming from the back or posterior lateral portions of the back, and none of these strictures would impact breathing or cause loss of consciousness," said a document summarizing the meeting. " … Dr. Baker found it important that Floyd had narrowing of coronary arteries: 75-80% narrowed. This would put him at risk for a sudden cardiac arrest."

"Dr. Baker offered that one possibility for the pathway of Floyd's death is that Floyd's heart was starting to fail because of the stress, drugs, enlarged heart, and [heart] disease," said a summary of the meeting. "He said that once the heart starts to fail … one of the symptoms is the perception that you cannot breathe."

In the meeting Baker, reportedly cited a study that found that placing 200 pounds of weight or more on a healthy person did not have an "observable impact on breathing." He reportedly referenced a recent study that said positional restraint did not lead to "ventilatory or cardiac failure."

 

[T.Lex]

Do you have a link? I can't find his complete testimony. But in the one's I've found he doesn't seem to state that. Although the defense can get a copy of depositions by the prosecutor, is that correct? If so the ME's testimony should be quite interesting, especially with what's been released so far. From the summary
"It appeared to Dr. Baker that the pressure to the neck was coming from the back or posterior lateral portions of the back, and none of these strictures would impact breathing or cause loss of consciousness," said a document summarizing the meeting. " … Dr. Baker found it important that Floyd had narrowing of coronary arteries: 75-80% narrowed. This would put him at risk for a sudden cardiac arrest."

"Dr. Baker offered that one possibility for the pathway of Floyd's death is that Floyd's heart was starting to fail because of the stress, drugs, enlarged heart, and [heart] disease," said a summary of the meeting. "He said that once the heart starts to fail … one of the symptoms is the perception that you cannot breathe."

In the meeting Baker, reportedly cited a study that found that placing 200 pounds of weight or more on a healthy person did not have an "observable impact on breathing." He reportedly referenced a recent study that said positional restraint did not lead to "ventilatory or cardiac failure."

So - that's the ME, I think. I was talking about the ER doc.

This isn't the link that I first saw it on, but:

Minneapolis police chief says Derek Chauvin violated policy with what he did to George Floyd

Dr. Bradford Langenfeld took the stand at the beginning of Week 2 of former Minneapolis officer Derek Chauvin's murder trial.

www.inquirer.com

Under questioning by prosecutors, Langenfeld said that based on the information he had, it was “more likely than the other possibilities” that Floyd’s cardiac arrest — the stopping of his heart — was caused by asphyxia, or insufficient oxygen.
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Nelson, Chauvin’s attorney, asked Langenfeld whether some drugs can cause hypoxia, or insufficient oxygen. The doctor acknowledged that fentanyl and methamphetamine, both of which were found in Floyd’s body, can do so.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

And the BLM is already threatening to burn the city down if not found guilty

"Cities Will Be on Fire" - Black Lives Matter Activist Warns "All Hell Will Break Loose" If Officer Chauvin Is Not Convicted in George Floyd Death | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Black Lives Matter activist Maya Echols, who is also a signed model with IMG Worldwide, warned in a recent Tik-Tok video that “cities will burn” if Police Officer Derek Chauvin is not convicted in the death of drug addict and thief George Floyd.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

So they're basically a modern day lynch mob.

 

[BigRed]

So they're basically a modern day lynch mob.

They are useful idiots for communist scum.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

So - that's the ME, I think. I was talking about the ER doc.

This isn't the link that I first saw it on, but:

Minneapolis police chief says Derek Chauvin violated policy with what he did to George Floyd

Dr. Bradford Langenfeld took the stand at the beginning of Week 2 of former Minneapolis officer Derek Chauvin's murder trial.

www.inquirer.com

Yeah I was originally talking about the ER Dr. But I can't find in your link or the ones I've seen where the ER Dr specified if the hypoxia was more likely caused by the officers actions or by the drugs. Prosecutor he just stated hypoxia and then went on to explain what it was, defense he stated it could be cause by fentanyl, meth, or both. I'm not saying he did or didn't, just that I can't find it.

I just brought up the ME because I think his testimony might get interesting.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'd like to revisit this, because I became aware of this just the other day. The part bolded, is true. Floyd never told Chauvin that he had ingested dope. You appear, to indicate that he should've told the officer, and that would have possibly made Chauvin handle him in a different manner. Before I go further, is that the gist of it?

Basically that and then some. From the moment of initial contact with the first officer to arrive Floyd was playing shotgun-pattern hypochondriac with what seemed like everything except the truth of having just consumed approximately 4 times the amount of drugs necessary to be lethal. All thd while, Floyd was not only silent on the drugs but throwing red herrings or crying wolf about other things physical or mental. His associate, who I am sure was aware of ghe drugs, contributed by screeching about Floyd's heart while failing to say a word about the drugs.

I am satisfied that there is at least a probability that Chauvin would have handled the situation differently, perhaps leaving him sitting with his back against the building and that most likely one of the officers present before Chauvin's arrival would have already had an ambulance on the way with urgency.

 

[T.Lex]

I just brought up the ME because I think his testimony might get interesting.

Totally agree with that. I think the prosecutor also listed something like 6 other medical experts (although I might be misremembering that).

Those notes that everyone mentions, I believe were taken by police officers during their interview of the ME? That complicates any conclusions that should be taken from them.