To Mask or Not to Mask?

[actaeon277]

What plant are you at, my dad retired out of the old Bethlehem still have a few buddies there.
I worked out at the Bailly station for years.

USS
Gary Works

 

[Jaybird1980]

USS
Gary Works

My wife's uncle works at the BOP

 

[actaeon277]

I previously worked at 1 BOP

(Basic Oxygen Process)

 

[SwikLS]

 

[breakingcontact]

Apposta wear 2 masks now.

 

[dudley0]

This says, as long as the can is in "good shape".
I'm not taking the chance.

AskUSDA

Knowledge Article
As long as the can is in good shape, the contents should be safe to eat. NEVER USE food from cans that are leaking, bulging, or badly dented; cracked jars or jars with loose or bulging lids; canned food with a foul odor; or any container that spurts liquid when opening. Such cans could contain Clostridium botulinum.

While extremely rare, a toxin produced by it is the worst danger in canned goods. DON'T TASTE SUCH FOOD! Even a minuscule amount of botulinum toxin can be deadly. Recommended storage times are as follows: two to five years for low-acid foods (such as meat, poultry, fish, and vegetables; 12-18 months for high acid foods (such as juices, fruit, pickles, tomato soup, and sauerkraut).

The storage times they give are pretty short for canned items in good shape me thinks.

 

[indyblue]

Aren't most food item cans lined with a sort of laquer as a barrier between the food and metal? If dented I think it could cause micro cracks in that layer allowing food to directly contact the steel and why the recommendation to not use dented ones.

edit: found this

Cans are typically coated with an organic layer that protects the integrity of the can from effects of the food and prevents chemical reactions between the can’s metal and the food. To fulfill the technical and legal requirements, can coatings should withstand the production and sterilization processes (1, 3), be universally applicable for all food and beverage types (2), prevent chemical migration into food in quantities that endanger human health (4), adhere to the can even after non-intentional deformation (5), resist aggressive food ty

 

[BugI02]

The storage times they give are pretty short for canned items in good shape me thinks.

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[actaeon277]

Aren't most food item cans lined with a sort of laquer as a barrier between the food and metal? If dented I think it could cause micro cracks in that layer allowing food to directly contact the steel and why the recommendation to not use dented ones.

Since that's further down the process than I am, I'm not sure.
I don't think so.
I think the inner "tin" layer on the D&I steel is the barrier.

 

[foszoe]

Look in your pantry and get rid of any cans that are badly dented, leaking, bulging, or rusted (wear disposable gloves while you’re at it). It’s possible that a contaminated can might have looked normal in the store but later developed a bulge

You said Bulge.....heh heh heheheheh heh

 

[nonobaddog]

I like Bush's canned butter beans and they seem to have a layer inside. It is some kind of stretchy polymer coating that keeps the food from touching any metal. Or at least it is supposed to unless it is compromised by a dent. It seems like a sharp dent would have the best chance at damaging the layer.

On closer examination - that stretchy stuff may be only in the top seam to help seal it. I use one of those can openers that cuts the side of the rolled edge rather than cutting the top out. The stretchy stuff is definitely around the top edge but I can't tell for sure if the coating extends all over inside.

 

[chipbennett]

I had to look it up... funny people willingly avoid studies that disagree with their opinions, then scream about the “science” in an attempt to force others to obey.

Cherrypicking has been the modus operandi since at least the days of Ancel Keys.

 

[chipbennett]

Also: more than 200 pages, and we're essentially still going round-and-round about the same things. The "masks work" viewpoint still seems to be conflating efficacy of masks worn by symptomatic vs asymptomatic.

There is clear evidence that masks offer some degree of efficacy when worn by/around those who are symptomatic. There is zero evidence that masks offer any degree of efficacy when worn by/around those who are asymptomatic. The evidence that those who are asymptomatic even transmit the disease is itself still inconclusive, at best.

And regardless, I still stand on the side of individual liberty, limited government, and due process. Wear a mask if you want; don't wear a mask if you don't want; keep the government out of the matter, except where due process clearly permits (such as with the Typhoid Mary types).

 

[nonobaddog]

 

[NKBJ]

Mister President we must not have a mask shaft gap.

 

[bobzilla]

If a person is in a place where he has a right to be, doing something he has a right to do, then he should have an expectation that others will take reasonable precautions to avoid causing him harm.

No. There is no guarantee if safety in this world. Period. Safety is a fallacy perpetuated by idiots so they aren’t scare 24/7. I have no obligation to protect you as you have no obligation to protect me.
Now if I go out of my way to intentionally cause harm to someone, that becomes an issue. And before you even start not wearing a mask is not intentionally harming you.

 

[bobzilla]

That's nonsense.

You think a surgeon could perform surgery for several hours if it restricted oxygen flow and brain fonction?

It’s actually not nonsense. People, like my wife, that have respiratory issues like asthma and obstructive sleep apnea have a hard time wearing a mask and walking for more than 30 minutes before becoming lightheaded and passing out. She keeps her nose uncovered so she can get enough oxygen to function.

so let’s stop with the disinformation.

 

[bobzilla]

It does not. We need science, not the teeth talk of the gun shop.

Wear a mask, you will not suffocate.

Do masks cause lower oxygen levels?

An Ohio State pulmonologist shares whether or not wearing a mask lowers your oxygen levels.

wexnermedical.osu.edu

Not for everyone. The extra restriction for those with respiratory issues is real. I live with one. Unless you want to tell me that she’s faking it when her lips are turning blue and she’s pale, clammy and about to pass out? Or she’s a liar. I don’t think you’re stupid enough to do that but you’ve surprised me before.

 

[bobzilla]

So if it's live and let live when it comes to wearing masks, is it the same for standing/sitting or being quiet/talking during the National Anthem?

Yep.

 

[CampingJosh]

No. There is no guarantee if safety in this world. Period. Safety is a fallacy perpetuated by idiots so they aren’t scare 24/7. I have no obligation to protect you as you have no obligation to protect me.
Now if I go out of my way to intentionally cause harm to someone, that becomes an issue. And before you even start not wearing a mask is not intentionally harming you.

It doesn't have to be intentional. If a person causes harm wrecklessly or even accidentally, that person still bears some degree of responsibility for the harm done.