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[jamil]

I must have missed that. I can tell you exactly what I think Trumpism is, but I’m going to need a hall pass before I tell you what it is, if you want me to tell you exactly what I think it is.

This perhaps tells me a little.

 

[buckwacker]

Some are still focusing on Trump eh? You gotta hand it to the media, they've advanced their craft to the point they are near a bigger political enemy than the democrats themselves.

Trump, Trump, Trump, all about Trump. Trump didn't "turn" the Republican party into anything, the Republican party never welcomed him, he was resisted at every turn. I could see why some people might think that an indication that something was wrong with Trump as a candidate but that would require the belief that the Republican party was still something worth listening to, something willing to fight for Americans, something which puts America first. Yeah, that hasn't happened in a couple of decades. They were all ___________ their pants because Trump wasn't beholden to the system. He didn't have to listen to what the party leaders said or wanted. He garnered more support for a political candidate than anyone I can recall in my 48 years on this planet.

I wholeheartedly agree that the prospect of Trump draining the swamp, getting rid of as many of the long established as corrupt politicians would leave a lot of uncertainty as to what to expect for the future. I'd have taken that uncertainty over four more years of guaranteed selling out of the American people for personal gain and in furtherance of worldwide equity.

Both parties were terrified of Trump because he was not willing to go along with the corrupt way things had been for years. I'm not ok with DC as it currently exists. DC is about as interested in looking out for my welfare as they are in cutting their own salaries and subjecting themselves to the same rules the rest of the country has to live by.

Is/was Trump perfect? Not by a long shot but I'm not one to put a higher priority on how someone makes me feel over what they'll actually do in office. I'm not happy about the bump stock BS. I'd like to think it was allowed to happen due to ignorance and Trump being too worried about more important things than products people create to work around the existing laws but maybe not.

I've seen a nice list of the things Trump accomplished while in office. Can anyone produce anything similar concerning what the hair sniffer has accomplished in his near 5 decades of leeching off the taxpayers? Anyone want to place bets as to anything the scumbag will accomplish if he survives long enough?

A vote for anyone other than Trump was a vote for the corrupt political machine in this country to continue ****ing the American people at every opportunity. I'll be thanking people for that probably for the remainder of my days. The likelihood of another human being outpacing the political machine like he did and getting in to office is now zero. The Republicans don't want it, the democrats damned sure don't want it and the media will be doing everything in their power to ensure the American people come in last.

Thanks phylo for putting this into words, as I don't have suffient patience for typing the wordy responses that are sometimes neccessay to accurately convey an ideas on the forum using my phone. This is a fantastic summary of why we had a Trump presidency and why those with power and influence are so desperately working to ensure it never happens again. Purely and simply, it's about control of the ruling class over the ruled class.

 

[jamil]

I don’t see how, following a storming of a nation’s Capitol with some the attendees threatening to kill lawmakers over a narrative that has been proven factual, that sending in troops a few days later to ensure safety, is an overreaction.
How many bullets do you need to stop a threat?

Which narrative has been proven factual? Not being able to prove something happened is not the same thing as proving it didn’t happen.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I must have missed that. I can tell you exactly what I think Trumpism is, but I’m going to need a hall pass before I tell you what it is, if you want me to tell you exactly what I think it is.

 

[JCSR]

Kut's Kid John Sullivan released conditionally without bail by Utah federal judge.​

The former Olympic hopeful has a 2nd case pending that involved a shooting in Utah​

https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-utah-conditional-release-john-sullivan-bail
Staying busy as a BLM/ANTIFA front man he found time to become an Olympic Hopeful as well.

 

[churchmouse]

Stop the dance and come clean? You think I’m being dishonest about something?

Yes. My side...???
Other things you say. I read a lot my friend. A lot. Comes with the chair. You do have your own dance and thats fine as it sometimes opens up conversations.
Hell we all do but as of this thread I am seeing holes in a few of you guys armor.

I am exactly the same guy in person as I am in here. I do not dance. I do not take you astray to make a point that is vague at best or no real point at all.
But my opinion and $1.25 might get you a small cup of black coffee at the corner joint.

Take this as it is. Not me being a Mod just me being the mouse. I am nowhere near perfect but I have seen so much in my time on this rock and I am betting my life has been far more diverse than the majority in here. Been there and done that. In many many different rolls. Its what has formed my position in all of this. I am open about it. Not hard to figure it out.

Yours....?????????

And no offense is intended.

 

[jamil]

Kut's Kid John Sullivan released conditionally without bail by Utah federal judge.​

The former Olympic hopeful has a 2nd case pending that involved a shooting in Utah​

https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-utah-conditional-release-john-sullivan-bail
Staying busy as a BLM/ANTIFA front man he found time to become an Olympic Hopeful as well.

I think the olympic ********ing competition came before all the rioty, shooty stuff.

 

[nonobaddog]

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Actually it is more like tap dancing.

 

[BigRed]

Looks like more of the same.... folks arguing over which boot they want on their neck.

Want to make federal political matters less dividing?

Chain the damned central state down in its cage where it belongs or, better yet in my opinion, dissolve it and throw it on the ash pile of history.

545 people trying to rule 330,000,000 individuals across a vast land from a little city in a far away place is a recipe for disaster in matters of individual liberty.

 

[CampingJosh]

Kut's Kid John Sullivan released conditionally without bail by Utah federal judge.​

The former Olympic hopeful has a 2nd case pending that involved a shooting in Utah​

https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-utah-conditional-release-john-sullivan-bail
Staying busy as a BLM/ANTIFA front man he found time to become an Olympic Hopeful as well.

Can't we all be Olympic hopefuls?

I'm putting it on my CV right after my 2006 Time Person of the Year award.

 

[jamil]

Yes. My side...???
Other things you say. I read a lot my friend. A lot. Comes with the chair. You do have your own dance and thats fine as it sometimes opens up conversations.
Hell we all do but as of this thread I am seeing holes in a few of you guys armor.

I am exactly the same guy in person as I am in here. I do not dance. I do not take you astray to make a point that is vague at best or no real point at all.
But my opinion and $1.25 might get you a small cup of black coffee at the corner joint.

Take this as it is. Not me being a Mod just me being the mouse. I am nowhere near perfect but I have seen so much in my time on this rock and I am betting my life has been far more diverse than the majority in here. Been there and done that. In many many different rolls. Its what has formed my position in all of this. I am open about it. Not hard to figure it out.

Yours....?????????

And no offense is intended.

Since we’re just discussing here and not intending or taking any offense, why not tell me what you think I’m being dishonest about. I think I’m being as up front and forward about my thoughts as I can be.

So I’m open to hearing what you think I’m saying that is so dishonest.

 

[worddoer]

Yes, I am well aware of what Biden hopes to accomplish.

Trump has turned the [R]s away from defending our rights and turned them into just the other big-government party.

So your solution to reducing big government is to vote for someone who will make an even bigger government. An administration of which, most of its leaders publicly state they will implement what most Americans would consider to be overreaching tyrannical government. They are proudly boasting of it as of recent. Voting for that is how you plan on reducing or eliminating big government? Please explain to me how this is not the textbook definition of Cognitive Dissonance.

I think he's a cancer. And sometimes the way to remove a cancer sucks. But you're better off with it gone than trying to pretend it's not really a problem.

Apparently you are under the assumption that the new administration is not a cancer itself. When, based on their own words, it will be a magnitude worse than the one it is replacing. We have gone from a simple skin cancer that can be far more easily treated to a stage 4 cancer in the colon, liver, lungs, spine and brain. I watched my sister-in-law die a gruesome death this way in 2019. It was horrific. I don't want to see my country suffer the same fate.

Based on your analogy, that is akin to saying the cancer patient must have more cancer added and die to remove the skin cancer they have.

Again, please explain to me how this is not the textbook definition of Cognitive Dissonance.

 

[nonobaddog]

Since we’re nust discussing here and not intending or taking any offense, why not tell me what you think I’m being dishonest about. I think I’m being as up front and forward about my thoughts as I can be.

So I’m open to hearing what you think I’m saying that is so dishonest.

I don't see dishonest, nor do I see open.

With all the pontification on what is wrong with any "side" that comes up and a spectrum of claims on what you are not, you have not left yourself much room to actually be for anything.

 

[jamil]

I don't see dishonest, nor do I see open.

With all the pontification on what is wrong with any "side" that comes up and a spectrum of claims on what you are not, you have not left yourself much room to actually be for anything.

I say what I think is right or wrong about a given issue. I take a side of an issue. I don't join a team. I think when people see me making points that they agree with, they assume I'm on that team. And then when I say things that they disagree with, they're like WTF?

I've got >41K posts, which I'm not going to claim are all quality posts. But there is a body of information that pretty well describes what I'm for. I suppose in there you can also detect some personal evolving. I used to be more hardline libertarian. But now I think the hardline libertarians are nuts. Not being on your team doesn't mean I don't agree with you on a lot of issues. And I'll tell you when I agree with you. I'll also tell you when I don't. I think that IS open.

 

[Bennettjh]

Question to Biden supporters: so when Biden/Harris push an AWB through, it'll be punishment/revenge for four years of Trump and the bumpstock ban?

Explain how an AWB is somehow better than a bumpstock ban. DON'T HEAR ME WRONG, bumpstock ban sucked, never had one but it's still an infringement. I couldn't imagine voting for an extremely rabid anti-2A candidate because the other one did something "minor" compared to the alternative. That's bad to worse, no other way around it.

 

[jamil]

Question to Biden supporters: so when Biden/Harris push an AWB through, it'll be punishment/revenge for four years of Trump and the bumpstock ban?

Explain how an AWB is somehow better than a bumpstock ban. DON'T HEAR ME WRONG, bumpstock ban sucked, never had one but it's still an infringement. I couldn't imagine voting for an extremely rabid anti-2A candidate because the other one did something "minor" compared to the alternative. That's bad to worse, no other way around it.

I'm not hearing them say an AWB is better. What I'm hearing is that they don't believe Biden can get the AWB done. I think that's delusional. We're a lot closer to that with Biden than we would have been with Trump.

 

[worddoer]

Looks like more of the same.... folks arguing over which boot they want on their neck.

545 people trying to rule 330,000,000 individuals across a vast land from a little city in a far away place is a recipe for disaster in matters of individual liberty.

I think this is the long term liberty focused solution. Empower local governments and remove power from the federal government. If people don't like what the local government does, change it or move.

However, pragmatically I don't see this happening. Many Americans have freely handed over their liberties and freedoms for the illusion of safety the federal government has promoted. It started slowly during the cold war and the snowball gained a lot of volume and speed with the first Patriot Act. It has only grown exponentially since then.

Most Americans have no idea what they have. Until recently, we were one of the most liberty minded countries in the world and trusted our citizens more than most countries. Even our poor are rich my global standards. Yet, our society today is filled with noting but complaints about how hard it is in America. Most Americans have never faced real hardship or 3rd world conditions.

In my older years, I now think that we have done our country and young people a disservice by not requiring them to attend some sort of service. Something similar in concept to what Switzerland or Israel has. It could be military, or some sort of civil service. But something that will get their focus off themselves for awhile and show them how truly blessed a people can be when living in a liberty minded country compared to the rest of the world.

But it seems too late for that now. The new fad is to hate our country as being nothing but evil. So to require service to others and/or your country would not fly in today's America based on critical race theory and equity over equality.

Being a free people living in a liberty based country requires work and sacrifice. Both of which most Americans are no longer willing to make.

And although there is a remnant that is willing to make the sacrifice needed to keep a liberty based government, I am not convinced that remnant is large enough to effect change.

 

[foszoe]

The reason I would bring up the bumpstock ban iswhen people claim over and over they will accept no compromise then justify it Trump as a better option than Biden. Just say Trump is better than Biden, no need for the tough guy drama because you are obviously willing to compromise. You coulda voted 3rd party.

 

[jamil]

Looks like more of the same.... folks arguing over which boot they want on their neck.

See, this is one of the reasons I started thinking that real ass libertarianism is kinda kooky. You guys tend to say absolutist things that don't really make any sense.

Want to make federal political matters less dividing?

Chain the damned central state down in its cage where it belongs or, better yet in my opinion, dissolve it and throw it on the ash pile of history.

545 people trying to rule 330,000,000 individuals across a vast land from a little city in a far away place is a recipe for disaster in matters of individual liberty.

See? Like this ^^^^

It's not 545 people trying to rule 330M. There's federal government that, agreed, has too much power, and needs to be trimmed back to being a more federalized government. Not dissolved and thrown on the ash pile of history. More like rolled back to a more stable version.

And then we have state and local governments. Each should govern within their own jurisdiction, and mostly leave people the **** alone. But I get it. The "boot-on-neck" shtick is catchy. Especially if you like thinking in binary terms.

 

[Bennettjh]

I'm not hearing them say an AWB is better. What I'm hearing is that they don't believe Biden can get the AWB done. I think that's delusional. We're a lot closer to that with Biden than we would have been with Trump.

It's very delusional. Harris said she plans to "honor" Sandy Hook victims with gun control. They've been very clear on what their plans are. Some on here refuse to recognize that.