Black man shot in Kenosha, riots starting all over again...

[rooster]

Having watched all the video including the ones from the car lot and before I must say this reporting is more fiction than fact
https://www.wthr.com/mobile/article...ight/507-fd0140cd-24ae-47a4-9e9c-32c72ed5c01a

 

[Tombs]

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1298646698273603586

 

[BugI02]

Im generally in agreement. Yes, it was stupid to show up, but hey, he has that right. I think he was proper in deploying deadly force on those who were attacking him. I wouldn’t convict him on that....BUT, if you’ve seen the video, he unloads about 5 or 6 rounds indiscriminately down range, when it appears he had no reason to. If one of the deceased is a result of that second part, then it won’t bode well for him. Again, why do people put themselves in such situations? Want some trigger time? Join the service.

It is my understanding that the floppies are:

Red t-shirt, who makes a cameo in an earlier video daring a 'militiaman', possibly Kyle, to shoot him and later appears to be involved in a physical altercation with Kyle. Headshot

Skateboard dude who is the second to attack him (with his board) when Kyle trips while fleeing. Chest shot, likely through and through

 

[Alpo]

I need a LEO to explain this, methinks. Blake is tased and gets up from tasing (pretty much what I stated I saw in the video back when). He doesn't have a knife in his hand, since the knife is in the car, according to the investigators.

So, as a cop, are you going to put yourself within the reach of a hand with a knife, or are you going to open the distance and await further action on the part of Blake?

I know this is 20/20 hindsight, but my reaction would have been to back off while covering him.

Please advise.

 

[KG1]

[video=youtube;Htbdaurzon4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htbdaurzon4[/video]

Yeah I heard about what that stupid ass Dom Lemon said about the rioting needing to stop because it's polling badly. Howbout the rioting needs to be stopped because of it's lawless uncivilized behavior tearing apart communities?

 

[KG1]

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1298646698273603586

Shannon Watts stirring the **** again. One group is labeled as police sanctioned "armed insurrectionists" and the other group as simply "protesters"

 

[Tombs]

So red shirt guy is a registered sex offender.
https://archive.is/R2JYm

 

[dusty88]

So red shirt guy is a registered sex offender.
https://archive.is/R2JYm

In 2002, sex with a minor. Could be one of those "he was 18, she was 17" kind of things. .Plus some people are posting misdemeanor records of the kid with the rifle.

I think neither is relevant to what happened.

 

[TheQuietMan]

"It's showing up in the poling"...

Oh dear Lord... NOW we have to stop killing people. It's bad PR.

 

[ditcherman]

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1298646698273603586

But this is backwards, right? In the vids we have here someone says "we appreciate you" after the kid (shooter) has walked up to the cop cars with his hands up and his stupid single point sling. They move on past him not knowing what has happened or that he is the guy. She is twisting the story, to incite more people, knowing that the majority will not study it enough to know the truth.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

She is disgusting.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Two slightly different summaries, but both very good, could go either way. These add some clarity to a very confusing situation.

Confusing mess for sure. It looks like the guy I referred to as "militia2" in the gas station shooting might have been press affiliated with "the daily caller". If so, what I took to be a long gun in his hands might have been a camera/camera rig. Same body posture, same type of focus on the situation. Whoever he is, he apparently did what he could to try to save the guy.

There is totally one part of the scenario that would be critical for me to know before I pick a side on the whole mess.
What happened before we see redshirt chasing the shooter?

If the shooter started the violence, then I can't condone him killing those people. For instance, if the shooter ran up on redshirt and sucker punched him as he walked down the street, then all that death is on the shooter. Similarly, if he tried to rob redshirt or something like that, then all that is on the shooter. A rapist cannot plead self defense for killing his victim when his victim or someone else resists the rape with deadly force (at least not in my book).

Barring something like that, the deaths are on the dead and their accomplices.

I don't much care whether the shooter was an anarchist or a conservative republican, or which side the redshirt was playing for. I am generally much more sympathetic to the people protecting property than I am to the people destroying property.

When it comes to people killing people, I don't much care what their ideology so much as I care about "Who started the fight?".

 

[ditcherman]

I’m interested in the “medics” story too. Was his intent to do harm to the kid, or was it to simply stop the kid? He had a handgun, so if he had any gun sense he knew he was outgunned. Why close distance and reveal yourself to be an obvious threat, if the former. In all the confusion, he could’ve taken a couple of well placed shots, and ended what he believed was a threat. And once he did close the distance, gun in hand, how was the kid to view him as anything other than a threat.... but yadda, yadda, fog of war...yadda, yadda.

Because they're LARPer's, thinking that they'll respawn and that it's all just a game.

 

[ditcherman]

I need a LEO to explain this, methinks. Blake is tased and gets up from tasing (pretty much what I stated I saw in the video back when). He doesn't have a knife in his hand, since the knife is in the car, according to the investigators.

So, as a cop, are you going to put yourself within the reach of a hand with a knife, or are you going to open the distance and await further action on the part of Blake?

I know this is 20/20 hindsight, but my reaction would have been to back off while covering him.

Please advise.

There is a possibility that what he was carrying was a knife, and the whole reason he went to the car was to toss it in without getting caught with it. Just an idea.

 

[muncie21]

What happened before we see redshirt chasing the shooter?

There's a vid of redshirt telling the armed boys to 'shoot me' and called some of them the N-word.

 

[larcat]

Castle extends to your car if you're in it here though, yeah?

You can use lethal force to defend your residence, you can not use lethal force to defend your business.

 

[CTC B4Z]

Man you guys are a complete mess.

We had the entire time line figured out hours ago and you guys still can't figure out whose who and what's where... Lmao..

 

[semperfi211]

https://fundly.com/official-kyle-ri...24GKlCbdA1Lx6WObewP7Kv9wv9bhEgCh6CqXs0edAPsdY

 

[The Bubba Effect]

But this is backwards, right? In the vids we have here someone says "we appreciate you" after the kid (shooter) has walked up to the cop cars with his hands up and his stupid single point sling. They move on past him not knowing what has happened or that he is the guy. She is twisting the story, to incite more people, knowing that the majority will not study it enough to know the truth.

I am betting that is before the shooting. That looks like the kind of stuff that happens before you shoot you shoot a handful of people rather than the kind of stuff that happens afterwords.

I am not sure what your beef with the single point sling is. I think the sling worked fine. An argument can be made that his gear worked pretty well.

Does the shooter clear a malfunction before he blows the chunk out of the "medic's" arm?

 

[Tombs]

Hahahahahahahaha, I'm liking this Kenosha PD.

Finally some police are acknowledging that since they aren't allowed to do their job, it's necessary for others to do it.
Source

In describing the shooting of two protesters, Miskinis also declined to call it a homicide and instead referred to it by various euphemisms often used to describe killings by a police officer, which Rittenhouse is not. He said that the shooter “was involved in the use of firearms to resolve whatever conflict was in place” and that there was a “disturbance that led to the use of deadly force.”