No matter the volume or how good the advice is, people always seem to ignore it.Was that loud enough for those hard of hearing?
Never fails.
No matter the volume or how good the advice is, people always seem to ignore it.Was that loud enough for those hard of hearing?
I guess I should have said FREEadvice,No matter the volume or how good the advice is, people always seem to ignore it.
Never fails.
MAYBE outside Marion County. Inside Indy, you are screwed for 18 months+. Their rule is any firearm that enters the property room must go through ballistic tests to make sure it isnt tied to a crime. Get hit on your motorcycle downtown and they take your pistol for safekeeping while you are sent to the hospital? You wont see that gun again for close to 2 years due to testing backlogs. Luckily some officers will go out of their way to get the gun to next of kin/friends so it doesnt have to go downtown because they understand how stupid it is.
There are even stories of INGO officers trying to help speed up the process by going and talking to the folks responsible. That doesnt even help. Hell, I remember one story where the gun was ready to be released, it just needed to get signed off by the supervisor butit was just sitting. When the officer asked for her to sign it so the INGOer could come pick it up, he was pretty much told to pound sand... it was on her desk and she would get to it when she was ready to do so. Nothing would speed up the process.
Actions speak louder than words.
Law enforcement administrative policy in Marion County is anti 2nd Amendment, or they would correct this policy of theft as standard operating procedure.
"You must spread reputation around before giving it to Vigilant again"I guess I should have said FREEadvice,
VERY low paid civilian employeesSounds like someone needs to correct whomever is working in the property room, are these LE types or non-LE staff?
Sounds like someone needs to correct whomever is working in the property room, are these LE types or non-LE staff?
If they don't have reasonable cause--like, they got the firearm at the scene of an accident from someone with a LTCH, they have no basis for suspicion and no reason to test.I have no problem with them wanting to test each firearm, but it needs to be done in a prompt manner, and the firearm returned to the owner in the same condition as when it was taken.
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VERY low paid civilian employees
If they don't have reasonable cause--like, they got the firearm at the scene of an accident from someone with a LTCH, they have no basis for suspicion and no reason to test.
Yeah, they are basically considered "guilty" right away.
Say there's a hearing within 14 days, and it's judged the person who had their firearms swiped was found to be of sound mind.
Their firearms would be promptly returned that day?
If not, the law should specify that they should be.
Why do I think in reality it would be a months, years or never deal, where innocent people have their property stolen by the government without any compensation?
At a certain point it just becomes another pointless law with diminishing returns.That might stop a person from buying from an FFL (assuming a supposed mentally ill person would answer the questions honestly). But how does that keep him/her from borrowing a gun from a sympathetic family member or buy one from the INGO classifieds?
I guess my point is people intent on doing evil will find a way. I don’t think there’s anything this guy could instruct the legislature to codify would stop them.
Rep'd as soon as I read it.Trigger Time said:"You must spread reputation around before giving it to Vigilant again"
Damn it
That's actually in the law. IIRC, it's within five days.
Guy R. Will be on hammer and nigel at 530 to discuss this on WIBC
Is this the law you speak of?
I don't see a 5 day requirement.
Additionally, does anybody have any knowledge of actual cases in Marion County where a person was found to not be a danger and they had their firearms promptly returned to them?
https://statecodesfiles.justia.com/indiana/2014/title-35/article-47/chapter-14/chapter-14.pdf
Is this the law you speak of?
I don't see a 5 day requirement.
Additionally, does anybody have any knowledge of actual cases in Marion County where a person was found to not be a danger and they had their firearms promptly returned to them?
https://statecodesfiles.justia.com/indiana/2014/title-35/article-47/chapter-14/chapter-14.pdf
Say there's a hearing within 14 days, and it's judged the person who had their firearms swiped was found to be of sound mind.
Their firearms would be promptly returned that day?
If not, the law should specify that they should be.
Why do I think in reality it would be a months, years or never deal, where innocent people have their property stolen by the government without any compensation?
I know detectives in our firearms unit told me it's quite common. That office is responsible for following up these cases up after we Immediate Detention the gun owners.