Eric Holcomb pushing for refugee resettlement in Indiana?

[CampingJosh]

If that's what you took away from my post, you didn't understand it, at all.

You don't want anyone to come here, and you'll come up with reasons. That's what I took away from your post.

Immigrants can just as well be part of the solution as part of the problem.

 

[nonobaddog]

Yeah, they are a huge part of the problem...

The overall perspective of the criminal behavior of illegal aliens is grim. In a 2007 Government Accountability Office study of 55,322 illegal aliens, analysts discovered that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about eight arrests per illegal alien: 70 percent had between two and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Drug or immigration offenses accounted for 45 percent of all offenses, and approximately 12 percent (over 6,600 illegal aliens) were arrested for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes.[SUP][14][/SUP]
An FBI crime study also shows heavy illegal alien involvement in criminal activity revealed these statistics:

• 75 percent of those on the most wanted criminals list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
• One quarter of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals, as are more than 40 percent of all inmates in Arizona and 48 percent in New Mexico jails.
• Over 53 percent of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
• 63 percent of cited drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 97 percent are illegal aliens. 66 percent of cited drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66 percent, 98 percent are illegal aliens.[SUP][15][/SUP]
  

The numbers don’t show attitude or intent. “United States is stupid … I come back every time,” asserted Mexican national Rolando Mota-Campos to a Virginia-based immigration agent after his 11[SUP]th[/SUP] arrest — for crimes ranging from abduction, assault, four DUIs, vehicular assault, attempted robbery, and domestic violence. Mota-Campos has been deported three times and has vowed to return again.[SUP][16][/SUP]
And the numbers don’t show the depth of depravity of some illegal alien criminals. In Arizona, Mexican national Santana Batiz Aceves was charged with 47 counts of rape based on DNA evidence. He has already been deported twice for drug charges in California. Aceves also faces charges of kidnapping, aggravated assault, sexual abuse of a minor, giving police false information, providing false documents, and trespassing.[SUP][17][/SUP]
The statistics are traumatic, but the anecdotal stories are horrifying.

 

[Tombs]

You don't want anyone to come here, and you'll come up with reasons. That's what I took away from your post.

Immigrants can just as well be part of the solution as part of the problem.

Every single American should be taken care of completely before we go about inviting anyone else into the country.

That's all it is.

But I guess you're against helping your fellow American first.

 

[CampingJosh]

Since everybody else has got their steam off their chests and are playing nice, now...and you've waded back into the discussion...I'd like you to explain the following.

Thank you for leaving me out of the "playing nicely" group. I have been especially difficult, haven't I?

South Indianapolis has absorbed close to 13,000 Burmese refugees since 2002, if the stats provided up-thread are reliable (it does correlate very well with the numbers I've seen from other sources).

They do _not_ want to be scattered in ethnic isolation across the rural environs of boonie-pit Indiana, where their children will feel awkward with nobody like them around, and no cultural support system. That's why they concentrate _here_. (And in Columbus, OH). They do not want to assimilate. In fact, they are doing everything in their power that is possible to avoid it. They want the cultural comforts of familiar faces. They want to re-create their home country, here, but with free education and economic benefits.

My question, is what exactly has the United States of America done, to destabilize Burma? And precisely what moral responsibility do I share in this as a voting American citizen, to justify my property taxes going up 25% to provide them with school classrooms? (More than half the incoming kindergarteners in my school district are now Chin Burmese).

This is close to home, and it goes directly to the moral foundation of your argument, so don't deflect or change the subject.

First, I very intentionally did not mention the Chin population when I said that US policy has created refugees. I listed two groups: the Hmong people who were US allies in Vietnam, and the "migrant caravan" from Honduras. Both of those groups are refugees at least in part because of US government actions. I personally think it's a good thing that we accept refugees beyond those which we created, but I agree that position is debatable. What I find not debatable is that we have a debt to people whom we actively harmed.

Second, I can't knowledgeably speak directly to your tax situation, and I don't know why your property taxes went up by 25%. The rate certainly didn't, so there's likely another explanation. Did your property value go up by 25%? In influx of people is likely to boost property values, and that would explain it. Or did the tax bill go up due to a referendum? If that's the case, your tax bill went up because your neighbors voted for it to go up. Are you sure that the population growth is the cause of your bill increase, or is that just an assumption?

Third, you say "free education" as though immigrants don't pay taxes. That's simply not accurate. The sales tax and income tax are the primary funding sources for our state government (which, along with federal funding, pays the majority of education expenses), and immigrants pay those. They also pay property tax either via real estate ownership or via rent payments that cover property tax payments.

Fourth, adult immigrants have never assimilated well. It's always been the second and third generation. Prior to WW1, there were over a thousand newspapers in the US published in German. That's why I'm happy the kids are in a public school; it's a big part of how they assimilate.

If you feel like there's an issue I've deflected on or ignored, please point it out, and I will address it directly.

 

[CampingJosh]

Every single American should be taken care of completely before we go about inviting anyone else into the country.

That's all it is.

But I guess you're against helping your fellow American first.

I don't think that GPS coordinates of a mother's vagina at the time of birth makes one person inherently more deserving than another.

And I'm opposed to helping anyone who won't help themselves, no matter which country they were born in.

 

[Tombs]

I don't think that GPS coordinates of a mother's vagina at the time of birth makes one person inherently more deserving than another.

And I'm opposed to helping anyone who won't help themselves, no matter which country they were born in.

Odd, that's how many gain united states citizenship.

 

[nonobaddog]

30% of the illegal alien "children" invading our borders have gang affiliations.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/21/30-of-border-children-have-gang-ties/

 

[nonobaddog]

[h=1]Illegal Alien Rapist Had Been Deported 9 Times[/h]https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/illegal-alien-rapist-deported-9-times/

 

[nonobaddog]

[h=1]Illegal Alien Who Brought His 'Daughter' to the U.S. Charged With Repeatedly Raping Her and Other Sex Felonies[/h]https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/08/08/illegal-alien-who-brought-his-daughter-to-the-us-charged-with-raping-her-other-felonies-n2507751

 

[nonobaddog]

Yes, illegal aliens are here to take.. and take... and take... etc.
[h=1]Illegal Aliens Costs Taxpayers $116 Billion Annually – Californians, Texans, Floridians Pay the Most[/h]https://tennesseestar.com/2019/08/2...-californians-texans-floridians-pay-the-most/

 

[jamil]

You don't want anyone to come here, and you'll come up with reasons. That's what I took away from your post.

Immigrants can just as well be part of the solution as part of the problem.

You give proper acknowledgement of the need to respect the cultures that already exist here and I’ll give proper acknowledgement of the benefits of immigration. It’s not just all of one thing, or all of another thing. It’s what’s true about all things.

Incidentally, the benefits, at least a lot of them, if we’re just talking about the benefits of immigration, can be achieved through more ****ing and not aborting (preferable by married couples) and re-adopting personal responsibility as a primary moral taught to children in the US.

 

[DadSmith]

I just sent our Governor a message telling him not to bring these soon to be felons to our state.

We have enough crime and problems without adding thousands of lawless 3rd world people with no loyalty or understanding of our laws or way of life. Refugees are raping and murdering our people everywhere they are sent. Do we want to end up like Sweden? My family member's, friends and I do not want them here at all. If he does bring them he's lost a lot of votes in our area.

 

[churchmouse]

You give proper acknowledgement of the need to respect the cultures that already exist here and I’ll give proper acknowledgement of the benefits of immigration. It’s not just all of one thing, or all of another thing. It’s what’s true about all things.

Incidentally, the benefits, at least a lot of them, if we’re just talking about the benefits of immigration, can be achieved through more ****ing and not aborting (preferable by married couples) and re-adopting personal responsibility as a primary moral taught to children in the US.

And we have a winner.

 

[churchmouse]

I just sent our Governor a message telling him not to bring these soon to be felons to our state.

We have enough crime and problems without adding thousands of lawless 3rd world people with no loyalty or understanding of our laws or way of life. Refugees are raping and murdering our people everywhere they are sent. Do we want to end up like Sweden? My family member's, friends and I do not want them here at all. If he does bring them he's lost a lot of votes in our area.

As we progress through this discussion I am finding my views on this to be changing.
Yes our work force is suffering but that is on us for raising a bunch of non-working no motivation kids. Jamil hit the nail squarely on the head here.
Assimilate. Period. My life should be altered in absolutely no way from them being here. My life style or freedom of movement.
Driving has become a battle front. Period. Standing in line at a check out is nuts. Press 2 for English my ass.

 

[BugI02]

You don't want anyone to come here, and you'll come up with reasons. That's what I took away from your post.

Immigrants can just as well be part of the solution as part of the problem.

Yes, indeed! Immigrants who have been vetted and who are unlikely to be a drain on resources and score highly on a scale (much like Canada uses) predicated on what they have to offer the US (in terms of skills and education), not what we have to offer them

The days of just needing warm bodies to settle the interior are long over. My city is developing its own Little Mogadishu, and that area's murder/crime rate is ramping up

 

[Vigilant]

Yes, indeed! Immigrants who have been vetted and who are unlikely to be a drain on resources and score highly on a scale (much like Canada uses) predicated on what they have to offer the US (in terms of skills and education), not what we have to offer them

The days of just needing warm bodies to settle the interior are long over. My city is developing its own Little Mogadishu, and that area's murder/crime rate is ramping up

Why that sounds like brilliant immigration reform, what would the bleeders say to this?

 

[Trigger Time]

Here's the conditions I believe are necessary to meet before we start discussing whether we should allow immigrants into the country:

1.) All homeless should be housed
2.) All hunger should be eliminated
3.) All poverty should be eliminated
4.) We have an excess of jobs and a lack of laborers

It isn't a matter of isolation, it's a matter of fixing ourselves before we try to take care of the rest of the world's population.
This is base level stuff, if you're on an airplane that loses pressurization, you put the oxygen mask yourself before you assist others.

I agree with you. I honestly could care less about other countries. America wasnt set up to be the world police or part of a united nations. The founding fathers didn't even believe in continuous allies like we have today.
I think that is the biggest crock of crap thats ever been done in the world. Every country needs to be independant and take care of its own.
Let businesses make their own deals. Governments need to get the hell out of so much. Our government needs to shrink. Unfortunately this will never happen until it collapses and yes our government WILL eventually collapse based on historical data of other great civilizations. We are doing the exact same things that sunk them

 

[churchmouse]

Odd, that's how many gain united states citizenship.

Yes, illegal aliens are here to take.. and take... and take... etc.
[h=1]Illegal Aliens Costs Taxpayers $116 Billion Annually – Californians, Texans, Floridians Pay the Most[/h]https://tennesseestar.com/2019/08/2...-californians-texans-floridians-pay-the-most/

I really wish those of us that truly believe this is OK would take a deep breath....stand back....take a clear look at all of this and then just stop. Stop pushing his crap on us. Just stop.

They either have no interactions with these people or they never leave the house.

 

[Trigger Time]

1.) Almost all homeless people should be housed in mental hospitals. What does that have to do with immigrants? Nothing.
2.) We already overproduce food; it's a matter of distribution. What does that have to do with immigrants? Nothing.
3.) The lowest-income quartile in the US today life significantly better than middle class people of 200 years ago. The live similarly to European royalty 500 years ago. If poverty is always compared to the surrounding populace (instead of to an absolute), then the only way to end it is forced redistribution. What does that have to do with immigrants? Nothing.
4.) We do have an excess of jobs and a lack of laborers, especially in fields that require hard work. We don't need 20 million video game testers and Instagram influencers.

I tried to get a septic system installed last year. I had stamped, approved drawings in my hand on May 9th, and I have the cash to pay for it. Every company that I talked to was already booked for the whole year. Turns out we need more septic system installers. That's just one example.

And you seem to think that immigrants come here to take rather than to contribute. Overall, that's the opposite of reality. https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst...y/benefits-of-immigration-outweigh-costs.html

Well i have a solution. Because I believe in natural selection. I dont believe in blanket welfare. We have created a system that rewards people to fail. Most people will never climb up when you do that and the government knows it. We have intentionally created generations with their hands out. Thats all they know. We have created generations of excuse makers and blamers. Thats all they know.
Then we pay all of them to breed like rats, and we pay for their medical care and food. The cycle continues until we collapse.

 

[churchmouse]

Odd, that's how many gain united states citizenship.

Yes, indeed! Immigrants who have been vetted and who are unlikely to be a drain on resources and score highly on a scale (much like Canada uses) predicated on what they have to offer the US (in terms of skills and education), not what we have to offer them

The days of just needing warm bodies to settle the interior are long over. My city is developing its own Little Mogadishu, and that area's murder/crime rate is ramping up

We have the same crap here in Indy. There is no plan to assimilate. Just over run given areas and take control just exactly like the holes they came from.

How in anyone's mind can this be OK at any level.