NRA chief LaPierre to get 57% pay raise

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It seems as though the loudmouths have no solution other than to encourage boycott of the only effective 2A lobby we have ever had.

Is the solution that gun owners must lose for them to "win"?

I'd love to see (and get behind) a solution to actually fix the internal problems in the NRA. Throwing it all away to see what happens is not a solution.

 

[jamil]

It seems as though the loudmouths have no solution other than to encourage boycott of the only effective 2A lobby we have ever had.

Is the solution that gun owners must lose for them to "win"?

I'd love to see (and get behind) a solution to actually fix the internal problems in the NRA. Throwing it all away to see what happens is not a solution.

It seems like some other loudmouths have no solutions at all because they refuse to ever deal with the problem, even if they can admit there's a problem.

Maybe it's because any criticism at all is seen as throwing it all away.

 

[Jludo]

So we shouldn't worry about the election? It will go the way it goes? Politicians are all the same anyway?

The point was that 'not before an election' isn't a good argument. As there is always another election coming up to worry about.

 

[Jludo]

It seems as though the loudmouths have no solution other than to encourage boycott of the only effective 2A lobby we have ever had.

Is the solution that gun owners must lose for them to "win"?

I'd love to see (and get behind) a solution to actually fix the internal problems in the NRA. Throwing it all away to see what happens is not a solution.

It sounds like people are calling for the ousting of Wayne, not throwing it all away.

 

[jamil]

It sounds like people are calling for the ousting of Wayne, not throwing it all away.

Oh. You can’t do that. The team’s cause makes the team always right and unquestionable. Wayne leads the team. Therefore, saying you want the leader of the team gone means you want the team gone.

 

[Brad69]

The NRA is quickly becoming a non effective lobbying organization with loss of Chris Cox who quit after the WLP excess started coming out. The NRA is starting for the first time as being viewed as a negative entity by the general population mainly due to WLP and his lifestyle. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nra-...cDXSQxb3I8ffn69HwIOl_RjuiT6UrsiKumuljtkPUa1GI

As to “throwing” WLP out that’s been tried the board is made up of sycophants that talk of WLP as a “dear leader”. If the attempt at ousting the leadership would have worked the NRA could have been saved IMO. Now everyday that WLP the “prosperity preacher” is at the helm is one day closer to the NRA fade-away!

 

[Ingomike]

Priorities, dude. We get Trump safely re-elected first, then we force the NRA to clean house

You don't try to rebuiild the bridge while you're still driving across it

It's fine to say you have to rebuild it. People are acting like it's traitorous to criticize the NRA for anything. It's not the fault of the 2A supporters who are capable of criticizing the NRA. It's the fault of the leaders deserving the criticism.

The NRA is a big driver of the momentum that propelled Trump to the win. Enemies of Trump and 2A want to marginalize their influence in the upcoming election and their overall influence. We need that bridge! Many comments against the NRA do not allege any type of illegal activity just the routine bs that is alleged in typical non-profit power struggles. I would like to see evidence of something that warrants the claimed corruption being worth stopping the type of efforts the NRA put forth in the 2016 election.

 

[BugI02]

It's fine to say you have to rebuild it. People are acting like it's traitorous to criticize the NRA for anything. It's not the fault of the 2A supporters who are capable of criticizing the NRA. It's the fault of the leaders deserving the criticism.

Fine. What we're saying is time and place. You don't wait until we're caught up in an existential contest to be calling for a boycott of an organization we are relying on to lobby for pro 2A views when that lobbying requires money to turn out the vote as well as buy advertising

Maybe you force them to get rid of LaPierre, maybe you don't - but that's at the risk of negatively affecting (from our viewpoint) a critical election cycle. The potential risk is not proportional to the potential reward, so enable the NRA as best we can to stave off communism. Then and only then take the board to the woodshed, if that's possible because the rules governing the organization do not seem friendly to wholesale change

 

[Ingomike]

It seems like some other loudmouths have no solutions at all because they refuse to ever deal with the problem, even if they can admit there's a problem.

Maybe it's because any criticism at all is seen as throwing it all away.

I'm all good with criticism, it is explicit advocacy of withholding contributions that would effectively neuter the organization in a crucial election year that is a flawed logic...

 

[jamil]

I'm all good with criticism, it is explicit advocacy of withholding contributions that would effectively neuter the organization in a crucial election year that is a flawed logic...

I’m not advocating at this point that people who would contribute to the NRA but for the belief that the NRA is corrupt shouldn’t contribute. But I understand why they’re reluctant to contribute themselves. I’m not going to call them loudmouths and wag my finger at them as if I’m a person importance that has more than just another opinion about it.

 

[Leadeye]

Fake up a news story that he has evidence on who killed Epstien, problem solved.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

It seems as though the loudmouths have no solution other than to encourage boycott of the only effective 2A lobby we have ever had.

Is the solution that gun owners must lose for them to "win"?

I'd love to see (and get behind) a solution to actually fix the internal problems in the NRA. Throwing it all away to see what happens is not a solution.

Something, something... baby... bathwater...

 

[Ingomike]

It sounds like people are calling for the ousting of Wayne, not throwing it all away.

How does it work that, rightly or wrong the organization lost the top legislative operator that picked the wrong side in a power play, possibly because he thought he might gain more power, and then toss out the head. At that level, who can fill the shoes to lead the organization in a critical election? We all agree their needs to be some change. Just how can a major change be implemented and not affect the ability of the organization to have a major impact?

 

[Ingomike]

I have searched for definitive information concerning the NRA issue being brought up in this thread, just what happened, who did it, and what it cost. Not having much luck. In the pro-gun media I am finding articles reporting rumors and he said she said, and editorial articles based on those rumors. The other thing I am finding is anti-gun media trying to fan the flames.

I really want to read exactly what happened, fact based reporting, where is that information?

 

[Cameramonkey]

Google is your friend.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wayne+lapierre+clothing+allowance&ia=web

WSJ has reported on it, as has the Independent out of the UK. I think I heard that the WSJ has copies they have presented, but they are behind a paywall.

Its all based on IRS filings and internal memos between the NRA and Ackerman McQueen.

And sadly, many board members admit that he is overspending/overpaid, but they take the "oh well, its just how it is I guess." attitude. I guess its easy spending somebody else's money.

And if you are looking for truly unbiased reporting, you are about 10 years too late. I dont think anyone really does that anymore.

 

[Ingomike]

Google is your friend.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wayne+lapierre+clothing+allowance&ia=web

WSJ has reported on it, as has the Independent out of the UK. I think I heard that the WSJ has copies they have presented, but they are behind a paywall.

Its all based on IRS filings and internal memos between the NRA and Ackerman McQueen.

And sadly, many board members admit that he is overspending/overpaid, but they take the "oh well, its just how it is I guess." attitude. I guess its easy spending somebody else's money.

And if you are looking for truly unbiased reporting, you are about 10 years too late. I dont think anyone really does that anymore.

I said I searched it, your suggestions are similar to what I keep finding. Just a leak of documents without context, public tax data, again, without context. Unless I'm missing something, that is likely the best they had to try the power play on WPL, if they had a real smoking gun they would have used it. If you know of more please post it.

Do you guys really want to shut down the NRA over what is in the WSJ article?

 

[Cameramonkey]

I said I searched it, your suggestions are similar to what I keep finding. Just a leak of documents without context, public tax data, again, without context. Unless I'm missing something, that is likely the best they had to try the power play on WPL, if they had a real smoking gun they would have used it. If you know of more please post it.

Do you guys really want to shut down the NRA over what is in the WSJ article?

I'm done with you. In this thread you have been given the information repeatedly, but refuse to accept anything. There is always something wrong. Its never good enough info. The source is wrong/not trustworthy. The docs are not public enough. Its always something with you. Context? In what context is our money (outside his salary) going to him for vacations, $20,000+ per year on clothing, etc. OK for a 501 not for profit? Really?

You are either in denial, extremely obtuse, or trolling. I cant tell which. So I'm done with this thread because the handle on my club just broke.

Have fun.

 

[jamil]

I'm done with you. In this thread you have been given the information repeatedly, but refuse to accept anything. There is always something wrong. Its never good enough info. The source is wrong/not trustworthy. The docs are not public enough. Its always something with you. Context? In what context is our money (outside his salary) going to him for vacations, $20,000+ per year on clothing, etc. OK for a 501 not for profit? Really?

You are either in denial, extremely obtuse, or trolling. I cant tell which. So I'm done with this thread because the handle on my club just broke.

Have fun.

Eh. Hang in there. You can’t make people see things your way. You just make your case and let it be.

 

[BugI02]

I'm done with you. In this thread you have been given the information repeatedly, but refuse to accept anything. There is always something wrong. Its never good enough info. The source is wrong/not trustworthy. The docs are not public enough. Its always something with you. Context? In what context is our money (outside his salary) going to him for vacations, $20,000+ per year on clothing, etc. OK for a 501 not for profit? Really?

You are either in denial, extremely obtuse, or trolling. I cant tell which. So I'm done with this thread because the handle on my club just broke.

Have fun.

Eh. Hang in there. You can’t make people see things your way. You just make your case and let it be.

You don't even have to make people see it your way. You are perfectly free to withhold your dues/membership from the NRA, go get 'em tiger

You are not free to insist we do likewise. One would think the current situation vis a vis Trump would discourage the tendency to blame the people you're trying to lead to water when you can't get them to drink. Sounds more like a leadership issue

 

[Brad69]

BUG,

I insist you don’t donate to the NRA!

You need to donate to the “paradise” I plan on building in Guyana!
A low tax deductible contribution of $9,127.00 will save a place for you!