There’s a couple of LEOs from Champaign, IL who will be in the class. I shot with them in the Langdon class last weekend. They were both really good pistol shooters and great guys too.
I’ve tried to do that but I get the impression the old timers want to make it hard to figure out. Just part of the game. I personally think we should be given name tags with our screen name on it, real name optional.Yep, it was a wet one. Good to meet everyone today. Now, just to put the screen name’s with the faces
Yep, it was a wet one. Good to meet everyone today. Now, just to put the screen name’s with the faces
I was the guy with the AR. Just kidding. Wearing all tan/ khaki, battle belt, fat, white raincoat in afternoon and near the end of the line farthest from the classroom.
Well, that EFFIng sucked. Negligent Discharge perpetrator here. I am so pissed at myself!
I do want to give a quick AAR, mostly to serve as an example for others.
LAV is making a quick point about something while setting up the second firing line for transition drill. Note that he is making a point, we are not online yet, prepping to fire. I decide, in CLEAR Violation of safety, that I need to load my pistol at that time. That initiated an unfortunate chain of events. Even if I simply chamber a round and holster, I am still violating a safety rule. But, I have a double feed. Now I have to **** with my gun. I pull the mag and re-seat it. Another double. The safety officer tells me to holster. I heard and understood him. However, my brain is used to "drop the hammer and holster". That's not what he said, and he certainly did not ask me to lock and show clear. I am just used to hearing those commands, but this is a different environment and I was given a different command. My fault. I know Larry is downrange, not in my line of sight, but downrange none the less so I cannot point at the berm. I tell myself the safest thing to do is point at the ground before dropping the hammer. No click...bang. Even though I saw an obvious double feed, I must have told myself that those rounds fell out. One of them didn't. One of them went into the ground very close to me.
1. Every gun is always loaded.
2. Never muzzle anything you aren't willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off of the trigger.
4. Be sure of your target and what's beyond.
I feel like #2 saved me from having a much worse day. I shot the ground by my foot, but that is where I was pointing it. I obviously violated #1 & #3, as my gun did have a round loaded and nothing told me to touch the trigger except my own poor decision.
Anyway, embarrassed a **** & not a great way to get a reputation in INGO.
Just remember to practice safety. Don't be that guy. Which, in this scenario, is me.....
Thanks for explaining, another far ender here. The best reputation you can have is to own your mistakes and you have, so kudos for that.Well, that EFFIng sucked. Negligent Discharge perpetrator here. I am so pissed at myself!
I do want to give a quick AAR, mostly to serve as an example for others.
LAV is making a quick point about something while setting up the second firing line for transition drill. Note that he is making a point, we are not online yet, prepping to fire. I decide, in CLEAR Violation of safety, that I need to load my pistol at that time. That initiated an unfortunate chain of events. Even if I simply chamber a round and holster, I am still violating a safety rule. But, I have a double feed. Now I have to **** with my gun. I pull the mag and re-seat it. Another double. The safety officer tells me to holster. I heard and understood him. However, my brain is used to "drop the hammer and holster". That's not what he said, and he certainly did not ask me to lock and show clear. I am just used to hearing those commands, but this is a different environment and I was given a different command. My fault. I know Larry is downrange, not in my line of sight, but downrange none the less so I cannot point at the berm. I tell myself the safest thing to do is point at the ground before dropping the hammer. No click...bang. Even though I saw an obvious double feed, I must have told myself that those rounds fell out. One of them didn't. One of them went into the ground very close to me.
1. Every gun is always loaded.
2. Never muzzle anything you aren't willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off of the trigger.
4. Be sure of your target and what's beyond.
I feel like #2 saved me from having a much worse day. I shot the ground by my foot, but that is where I was pointing it. I obviously violated #1 & #3, as my gun did have a round loaded and nothing told me to touch the trigger except my own poor decision.
Anyway, embarrassed a **** & not a great way to get a reputation in INGO.
Just remember to practice safety. Don't be that guy. Which, in this scenario, is me.....
Well, that EFFIng sucked. Negligent Discharge perpetrator here. I am so pissed at myself!
I do want to give a quick AAR, mostly to serve as an example for others.
LAV is making a quick point about something while setting up the second firing line for transition drill. Note that he is making a point, we are not online yet, prepping to fire. I decide, in CLEAR Violation of safety, that I need to load my pistol at that time. That initiated an unfortunate chain of events. Even if I simply chamber a round and holster, I am still violating a safety rule. But, I have a double feed. Now I have to **** with my gun. I pull the mag and re-seat it. Another double. The safety officer tells me to holster. I heard and understood him. However, my brain is used to "drop the hammer and holster". That's not what he said, and he certainly did not ask me to lock and show clear. I am just used to hearing those commands, but this is a different environment and I was given a different command. My fault. I know Larry is downrange, not in my line of sight, but downrange none the less so I cannot point at the berm. I tell myself the safest thing to do is point at the ground before dropping the hammer. No click...bang. Even though I saw an obvious double feed, I must have told myself that those rounds fell out. One of them didn't. One of them went into the ground very close to me.
1. Every gun is always loaded.
2. Never muzzle anything you aren't willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off of the trigger.
4. Be sure of your target and what's beyond.
I feel like #2 saved me from having a much worse day. I shot the ground by my foot, but that is where I was pointing it. I obviously violated #1 & #3, as my gun did have a round loaded and nothing told me to touch the trigger except my own poor decision.
Anyway, embarrassed a **** & not a great way to get a reputation in INGO.
Just remember to practice safety. Don't be that guy. Which, in this scenario, is me.....
My FN FNX Tac slide is milled for a red dot, I wonder if I can put one of my EOTechs on it. LAV would love that.Yeah it happend thank God nobody was injured. Learn from it I have been in the presence of many ND's during my career some of them ended very badly.
Great class I am sure one of our wordsmiths will do a proper AAR.
LAV lived up to the reputation IMO He pulled no punches and put out a lot of information. His drills seem to be logical and to the point the use of paper targets made me realize how sloppy I had become shooting steel.
It was great to train with my INGO friends again.
I showed up with few things LAV does not care for a EO tech and a single point sling. That's OK !
I am sure all in attendance will testify to how sexy I looked shooting them!
On gear
The SIG MCX I bought for the class turned out to be a turd it shoots 4 inch groups at 50 yards. I had to use my faithful SIG M400 which is a tack driver. I also used my Walther PPX it shoots as good if not better than the Glooks and others twice its price.
BTW
I anyone would like to know LAV does not seem to care for the MCX much.
"That Guy"
I thought I would do a quick AAR on the LAV class from this past weekend.
To start the range facilities were excellent. There was plenty of room to park vehicles and the class room was very sizable. The facility had a restroom, refrigerator, microwave, and a covered area with tables on the back of the building which was helpfully in keeping extra ammo and equipment dry during the heavy rain.
The range was well kept with a large enough area to accommodate the 20 plus shooters in the class. The only issue I saw was passed 50 yards; it would have been hard to accommodate many shooters because of the range house location.
The first day the weather was a bit rainy but we pushed through it and we all got a little wet. My take away from this was, it forced me to shoot in the pouring rain when I would have otherwise avoided it. It was great to see how may carbine and gear performed in very wet weather.
LAV lived up to what I expected plus more. I enjoyed that he did not waste a lot of time telling stories and we hit the ground running with a safety brief on the range. After the brief we went into confirming zeros and moved into shooting drills. I’m not going into all the drills one by one but will say that LAV was able to explain why he had us performing each specific drill and how it related to improving our operation of a carbine or pistol.
The other students in the class were overall all very friendly and it was nice to be around others willing to spend a few days working on their shooting skills. I don’t have an exact count but I think we shoot a little less than 500 carbine rounds and less than 200 handgun rounds.
If you get the opportunity to take one of Mr. Vickers classes, I would strongly recommend it. This was money well spent and I will take away multiple lessons that I can apply to improving my shooting on the range for years to come.
I was at the far right end of the line. We didn't hear what happened. I know if sucked for you but it made the rest of us ultra conscious about not messing with our guns the rest of the day. I only hate you for bringing donuts!
There wasn't always a clear the weapon and holster command. There were times when we went back to top off mags with hot guns in holsters & hot rifles slung on safe.
There was one other guy at the far right that put a pistol round into the base of the target somehow. I'm not sure what he was doing. Everyone else had stopped firing & ~10 seconds later, bang.
My gear functioned perfectly. That made me happy. My DD MK18 hates everything not 77 grain though. Accuracy was horrible. M855 sucked. 55 gr nickle steel sucked, M196 tracer sucked. Urban ERT sling was OK. Magpul sling... eh.