Indianapolis PD firearm seizure, no return

[indiucky]

I wouldn't doubt it.

Sheriff Greene in Louisville back in the 80's gave EVERYONE a Deputy Badge....Lot's of good parking for Derby for the locals back then....LPD still make jokes about it...It's become the thing of legends and all of the hysteria that surrounded it back then is now looked back on with nostalgia....

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/110813040/


Jun 14, 1992 - But from 1982 through 1989, Sheriff Jim Greene did not deposit all the tax money in ... the banks for political contributions and Kentucky Derby tickets. ... Richards said he became a specialdeputy on his own initiative, adding ...

 

[MCgrease08]

A little bump for good news, bad news.

Good = Thanks to our own Kirk Freeman I got a call from the property room gal just after 2 PM today saying to come get my firearm. Kirk lit a fire under some asses downtown. I asked when can I come get it? Today? The lady who called said "today". OK!

Bad = I finished up some work and headed downtown from the North side, arriving just after 3 PM to learn nobody was in the downstairs ID department to re-finger print me and release my firearm. I was not happy and may have made my displeasure well know in a not so quiet tone of voice.

They are closed on Tuesdays! I will try again Wednesday morning. Stay tuned.

The fact that the property room closes at 3 pm was a fact that was never relayed to me either.

When I went down to retrieve mine, I was lamenting to another person that I was going to be late getting back to the office (made the trip over lunch). I made the comment that I had considered coming down the day prior because my boss had left early and I was going to sneak out at 3:00 in his absense to try and get downtown by 4 pm.

That's when she told me, "you woulda been late. They close up the property room at 3:00."

Now I'm kickin myself about not mentioning that earlier. I may have saved you a trip. Sorry about that.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

"Heather, cancel my trip to Indy and my shopping trip to Staples for poster board and markers."

 

[amboy49]

Apostrophe

I have a few really high dollar competition shotguns that sit in my safe at home most of the time. I shoot them at events on some weekends so they must be transported via POV to the competition sites. My biggest fear has been being involved in an auto accident while going to/coming from an event and the firearms are taken into “police custody” if I was forced to go to the hospital. My first concern, in light of the apparent recovery time involved, would be for surface rust to begin to occur. All my exposed gun metal parts have an applied light coat of RIG, but I’m not certain how long that would protect the blued surfaces. And, even though I have a written description and photos of all my guns, I’m not sure I can produce a signed receipt for all of them which sounds as if that might be problematic.

I have contemplated placing insurance on many of the guns but, quite frankly, the annual premium would quickly add up to the price of a new gun. Guess the solution is to practice defensive safe driving habits and hope I donÂ’t get t-boned or rear ended by a soccer mom who is texting while driving, applying her makeup while looking in the rear view mirror, and attempting to give one of her brood a corrective backhand while he or she ducks their momÂ’s punch from the back seat.

(I am typing this on my iPad. I have no clue as to why, when I type an apostrophe, that the character turns into a capital A with a mark over it ?! ! Frustration prevents me from making a correction to all the above. Sorry for the confusion )

 

[Trigger Time]

I'd hire kirk Freeman or Guy Relford and turn him or them loose. I've got too much money in my guns and I value my liberties too much to have them **** on by beurocracy or politicians who hate freedom

 

[amboy49]

its part of an investigation. Them not returning it is no more stealing it from you than holding you against your will in a jail cell for a short time while your case is investigated is kidnapping. In both cases you are both released as soon as they are done investigating.

The key is getting them concerned with being expeditious. Until they want to do it, it wont get done. Just look at VUPD's stories where he all but had to grab the supervisor's hand and move it across the paper for her with a pen in it to get her to sign the release. Even showing up and applying direct, polite pressure was hardly enough to get her to move.

I don’t think your analogy works unless the owner can get a writ of habeas corpus for the gun.

 

[stymie12000]

I'm posting this here since I posted about IMPD firearms earlier in this thread!

So I got a phone call today from IMPD firearms saying they are releasing my theft recovery Remington 870. This is after I submitted finger prints and waited almost 2 years.

So I go down to the City County building and speak with the lady in the firearm department. She had to get my paperwork signed off by another employee. Then she instructed me to go to the identification room, down in the basement. Then I get fingerprinted again! After the guy that fingerprinted me verified that it was actually me, I was instructed to take the release form to the property room!

So about 45 minutes after I arrive, I finally made it to the property room! So I hand the release form to the clerk. At thist time, 2 out of the 3 clerks go down into the basement below to basement! The other clerks tells me this might take a while. Well, hour and forty five minutes later, the clerks gave up looking for it (just so happens that this is the same time their shift is over. 3pm). Told me that the night crew will have more time and will look for it tonight and give me a call when they find it!

Totally unacceptable. I will give them until tomorrow to find it. Then I will be asking for their superior. I hope it is just stuffed in a corner somewhere and not destroyed or stolen! Ugh! If its actually lost I'm not sure what I can do since it was in the possession of IMPD!

 

[Joniki]

Someone should be arrested and go to jail. This is simply not acceptable.

I'm posting this here since I posted about IMPD firearms earlier in this thread!

So I got a phone call today from IMPD firearms saying they are releasing my theft recovery Remington 870. This is after I submitted finger prints and waited almost 2 years.

So I go down to the City County building and speak with the lady in the firearm department. She had to get my paperwork signed off by another employee. Then she instructed me to go to the identification room, down in the basement. Then I get fingerprinted again! After the guy that fingerprinted me verified that it was actually me, I was instructed to take the release form to the property room!

So about 45 minutes after I arrive, I finally made it to the property room! So I hand the release form to the clerk. At thist time, 2 out of the 3 clerks go down into the basement below to basement! The other clerks tells me this might take a while. Well, hour and forty five minutes later, the clerks gave up looking for it (just so happens that this is the same time their shift is over. 3pm). Told me that the night crew will have more time and will look for it tonight and give me a call when they find it!

Totally unacceptable. I will give them until tomorrow to find it. Then I will be asking for their superior. I hope it is just stuffed in a corner somewhere and not destroyed or stolen! Ugh! If its actually lost I'm not sure what I can do since it was in the possession of IMPD!

 

[Kutnupe14]

Someone should be arrested and go to jail. This is simply not acceptable.

If it's stolen, it's not out of the property room. There's some pretty legit stuff down there... and to be fair, those property room folks do have to deal with a lot of stuff. I get your frustration though. If somebody says "it's ready," it for damn well should be ready!

 

[edporch]

I'm posting this here since I posted about IMPD firearms earlier in this thread!

So I got a phone call today from IMPD firearms saying they are releasing my theft recovery Remington 870. This is after I submitted finger prints and waited almost 2 years.

So I go down to the City County building and speak with the lady in the firearm department. She had to get my paperwork signed off by another employee. Then she instructed me to go to the identification room, down in the basement. Then I get fingerprinted again! After the guy that fingerprinted me verified that it was actually me, I was instructed to take the release form to the property room!

So about 45 minutes after I arrive, I finally made it to the property room! So I hand the release form to the clerk. At thist time, 2 out of the 3 clerks go down into the basement below to basement! The other clerks tells me this might take a while. Well, hour and forty five minutes later, the clerks gave up looking for it (just so happens that this is the same time their shift is over. 3pm). Told me that the night crew will have more time and will look for it tonight and give me a call when they find it!

Totally unacceptable. I will give them until tomorrow to find it. Then I will be asking for their superior. I hope it is just stuffed in a corner somewhere and not destroyed or stolen! Ugh! If its actually lost I'm not sure what I can do since it was in the possession of IMPD!

What a disgrace!
We need to begin with some state level legislation to help deal with this "anti-gun slow walk" BS.
This crap blurs the difference between the "good guys" and the "bad guys".

 

[billybob44]

What a disgrace!
We need to begin with some state level legislation to help deal with this "anti-gun slow walk" BS.
This crap blurs the difference between the "good guys" and the "bad guys".

This is the same crap that the DMV used to do on registration/license paperwork. The employees there did not make much $$ at their job, but they SURE "Got a Nut" off of making the citizens wait in line, and when you got up there, would tell you to "Step Aside" because your i's were not dotted, or your t's were not crossed..A lot of management lost their jobs before the DMV was changed to be more user friendly to the Tax Paying Citizens..
Seems to me that IMPD should have the same "adjustment" to their management???..Bill.

 

[churchmouse]

If it's stolen, it's not out of the property room. There's some pretty legit stuff down there... and to be fair, those property room folks do have to deal with a lot of stuff. I get your frustration though. If somebody says "it's ready," it for damn well should be ready!

Completely agree.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

What a disgrace!
We need to begin with some state level legislation to help deal with this "anti-gun slow walk" BS.
This crap blurs the difference between the "good guys" and the "bad guys".

Please do. None of the IMPD INGO JBTs agree with the practice, but because we don't hold positions of power there is nothing we can do about it.

 

[Hop]

Maybe I should have sued & not just had Kirk fain a lawsuit.

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[edporch]

Please do. None of the IMPD INGO JBTs agree with the practice, but because we don't hold positions of power there is nothing we can do about it.

I'm sure that's true, and I don't believe that most police on the street support this.

 

[JJFII]

Thought about that but decided it would probably exacerbate the problem

wise choice... filing a false report would be a very bad move. The firearm was not stolen. Just write the firearm off and I bet in a few months you will see it again.

A friend of mine was accused of stealing $300,000 in gold, watches and jewelry. This was at a storage place that also rents safety deposit boxes.

The evidence against him was a video of him at his safe deposit box that is next to the one broken into, but you cant tell what box he is at. He also lives a high-end life style without a paper trail to where his excess money comes from... he buys and sell junk from garage sales and antique shops.

The owner of the box that was broken into had / has no proof of the contents of his box other than he is a multi-millionaire, "Why would I lie". This his proof of the $300,000 theft.

The PD seized all the computers in my buddies home, all his phones, they froze all of his bank accounts and seized all of his firearms. That was 3 years ago. No charges have ever been filed and his lawyer says there is nothing he can do...its an on-going investigation.

 

[Hop]

wise choice... filing a false report would be a very bad move. The firearm was not stolen. Just write the firearm off and I bet in a few months you will see it again.

A friend of mine was accused of stealing $300,000 in gold, watches and jewelry. This was at a storage place that also rents safety deposit boxes.

The evidence against him was a video of him at his safe deposit box that is next to the one broken into, but you cant tell what box he is at. He also lives a high-end life style without a paper trail to where his excess money comes from... he buys and sell junk from garage sales and antique shops.

The owner of the box that was broken into had / has no proof of the contents of his box other than he is a multi-millionaire, "Why would I lie". This his proof of the $300,000 theft.

The PD seized all the computers in my buddies home, all his phones, they froze all of his bank accounts and seized all of his firearms. That was 3 years ago. No charges have ever been filed and his lawyer says there is nothing he can do...its an on-going investigation.

He needs to get another lawyer & sue.

 

[T.Lex]

Interesting case today in the court of appeals.

https://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11131801bb.pdf

Mr. Trice was pulled over for an equipment violation in Indianapolis (AKA "pretext"). He was asked if he had any weapons in the car and he responded affirmatively. There was a pistol in the center console. Turns out his Larry had expired 2 years earlier. He was charged with CHWOL. He was convicted. (It is unclear if he actually tried to renew his Larry between charging and trial, but the court indicated his lack of criminal history was a mitigating factor.)*

As part of the sentence, the trial court ordered that the gun should be destroyed.

Court of appeals (Barteau writing; Robb joining) says that carrying without a license isn't "misuse" so the gun can't be destroyed. There was a dissent (Crone) who points out that carrying illegally can be considered misuse. (Appellate geek moment: that's an interesting panel to reach that decision.)**

*Quick search and, other than another CHWOL, it doesn't look like he's got much of a criminal history. Some ordinance violations, and that's about it.

ETA:

LMAO

So. The other CHWOL was dismissed on September 25, 2017, and from the docket it looks like there was a problem with the prosecutor's case. Like, a witness or something didn't show up, because a continuance on the day of trial was denied. Then, he was pulled over on October 13, 2017, for the equipment violation. About 2.5 weeks later.

Total coincidence.

ETA2:
For those of you playing along at home, these judges, the majority of whom decided not to destroy this firearm, were appointed by Bayh, O'Bannon, and Kernan.

 

[shootersix]

Interesting case today in the court of appeals.

https://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11131801bb.pdf

Mr. Trice was pulled over for an equipment violation in Indianapolis (AKA "pretext"). He was asked if he had any weapons in the car and he responded affirmatively. There was a pistol in the center console. Turns out his Larry had expired 2 years earlier. He was charged with CHWOL. He was convicted. (It is unclear if he actually tried to renew his Larry between charging and trial, but the court indicated his lack of criminal history was a mitigating factor.)*

As part of the sentence, the trial court ordered that the gun should be destroyed.

Court of appeals (Barteau writing; Robb joining) says that carrying without a license isn't "misuse" so the gun can't be destroyed. There was a dissent (Crone) who points out that carrying illegally can be considered misuse. (Appellate geek moment: that's an interesting panel to reach that decision.)**

*Quick search and, other than another CHWOL, it doesn't look like he's got much of a criminal history. Some ordinance violations, and that's about it.

ETA:

LMAO

So. The other CHWOL was dismissed on September 25, 2017, and from the docket it looks like there was a problem with the prosecutor's case. Like, a witness or something didn't show up, because a continuance on the day of trial was denied. Then, he was pulled over on October 13, 2017, for the equipment violation. About 2.5 weeks later.

Total coincidence.

ETA2:
For those of you playing along at home, these judges, the majority of whom decided not to destroy this firearm, were appointed by Bayh, O'Bannon, and Kernan.

and that boys and girls is why you get the "lifetime license to carry a handgun!"

 

[T.Lex]

There's also that part about incriminating oneself....