Why the decline in SHTF/HD shotguns?

[rhino]

I think a sustained rate of fire would be higher with a double barrel than a pump after you got past the first load out.

As to the OP, I have a HD shotgun standing by...along with a few other choices. Decisions, decisions.

Very skilled cowboy action shooters can port load a 97 Winchester faster than their peers can load a side-by-side, but for normal people I think you're correct!

 

[lovemachine]

He does, but they are "weather permitting" and he won't commit to a date or time.

It's fine. I only missed 2 classes, and the reasons why were important. And I had to bow out of a get together at Bub's because of a work injury.

 

[rhino]

It's fine. I only missed 2 classes, and the reasons why were important. And I had to bow out of a get together at Bub's because of a work injury.

That's exactly what a ginger would say.

 

[bobzilla]

That's exactly what a ginger would say.

Hey now... don't be slanderin' the gingers. We'll steal your soul.

 

[lovemachine]

Hey now... don't be slanderin' the gingers. We'll steal your soul.

You don't want his soul. He always stabs himself. Plus, he carries a flip phone.

 

[bobzilla]

You don't want his soul. He always stabs himself. Plus, he carries a flip phone.

So does my wife (stabbing and the flip phone). So I'd end up with two wives... maybe not the best idea I've had. We could sell it off to some other schmuck though.

 

[WestSider]

Just do like crazy uncle Joe said and fire 2 blasts from a double barrel 12 gauge outside the house and you'll scare away all the bad guys.
Besides, shooting a AR15 is bound to give you PTSD....

In all seriousness, the best quote from the article that was linked by another member in this thread was this:
"Until someone invents a “Phaser” like on Star Trek, anything that will stop a bad guy, will also penetrate several walls."

If you are going to fire ANY firearm in your house, you have to accept the fact that you might hit something unintended inside or even outside of the house. If you can't accept that, buy a can of pepper spray or a taser and a baseball bat and take your chances.

 

[rhino]

Hey now... don't be slanderin' the gingers. We'll steal your soul.

You don't want his soul. He always stabs himself. Plus, he carries a flip phone.

So does my wife (stabbing and the flip phone). So I'd end up with two wives... maybe not the best idea I've had. We could sell it off to some other schmuck though.

Okay, that got out of hand really quickly, even for INGO!

 

[YoungMilsurpGuy]

AR's are about the same cost as shotguns, around $500. Mags are $7 each. Shotgun ammo is not less expensive than .223 ball.

No one goes to war with a shotgun unless they've got a bunch of buddies with ARs backing them up.

What kind of shotguns are you buying? You can get a decent defensive shotgun for $200-250 and a mossy 500 for under 300. And the shotgun isnt a go to war gun, its more a house to house up close and personal weapon for use against the criminal element and rioters /looters.

To use military terminology, its a weapon suited for low-level conflict that is what we have a much higher probability of seeing then fighting in a Milita against an organized enemy. Like the kinda gun I had my buddy in college buy and a few cases of birdshot to shoot trap and skeet and to chase a druggie home invader or two out of his house, not take on ISIS.

 

[sheltowee]

I got my hd shotgun on a black Friday sale for 169. It's a mossberg maverick and shoots well.

 

[TheDude]

So how many people actually shoot their shotguns much, pattern them, test them? Maybe I am a minority but I shoot a shotgun every week in some form or another, always with accuracy in mind. AR's are a blast and very effective but I rarely shoot mine besides training or a varmit that's out there a ways. The only problem I see with a shotgun and a prolonged firefight is feeding it, but this isn't Iraq either?

Exactly, you wouldnt take a Barrett M107 to do CQB would you?
Tools in the toolbox.

 

[Sniper 79]

No one needs an AR.

You are right. You need several. A beater to keep in the truck. A nice long range tack driver one. A light weight operator model. A1 A2 A3 M4 short barrel long barrel 223 556 300 Blk. One with a flashlight on it. One unfired in the box. One project being built. You know the deal.

 

[canterbc]

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[indiucky]

You don't want his soul. He always stabs himself. Plus, he carries a flip phone.

Before switchblades became legal in Indiana Rhino epoxied a blade on to his flip phone after checking with Kirk who told him (allegedly) it should be legal...

 

[YoungMilsurpGuy]

You are right. You need several. A beater to keep in the truck. A nice long range tack driver one. A light weight operator model. A1 A2 A3 M4 short barrel long barrel 223 556 300 Blk. One with a flashlight on it. One unfired in the box. One project being built. You know the deal.

>A SBR or AK underfolder for the truck, a AK-74 for a fighting rifle and a SPR style 20 inch precision AR

Fixed that for you.

 

[poweraddict]

People spend more time training with their rifles and handguns. Shooting lots of rounds out of a shotgun can be punishment on your shoulder. The more enjoyable something is to shoot the more likely you will practice with it more. The more you practice with something the more proficient you'll be with it.

 

[MohawkSlim]

Though I'm one of those "years and years on the AR" guys I too recommend shotguns for home defense as opposed to carbine rifles for the reasons the OP listed. They're cheap, easy to use, reliable, and the main reason that nobody seems to have touched on yet is I want the biggest longest "club" I can have if I'm fighting someone.

Fighting inside a house may not be Seal Team Delta Operator-esque like all those ECQCB classes point you toward. You may not need to clear the room with your buddies using your 580 lumen rail mounted cree bulb. Chances are there'll be a noise downstairs, your wife will bump you in the ribs, and you'll flip on the lightswitch as you walk down the steps with your shotgun in hand. In a case like that, you may find the methed out kid from down the street, your daughter's boyfriend, or maybe a couple of friendly burglars.

Are you going to dump 30 rounds in your living room?

I find it funny that gun owners always assume it's going to be a deadly force encounter. Every single time he's going to have to shoot a squad of Rangers camped out in his kitchen. Why isn't the scenario a drunk teenager who's just looking for a place to ****?

In all these "less than platoon size encounters," would you rather fight someone (hand to hand) with an AR or a big ol' shotgun?

Having less lethal options should be considered in home defense. Personally, I have a 590A1 with the bayonet on it just for that purpose. The human psyche can be a weird thing. Those pointy sticks can sometimes be scarier than the black guns. Giving someone a "nudge" out of your house is pretty easy when you're poking them with a pointy stick. "But slim, you can poke them with the bayonet on your AR too." Sure, but it's going to be about a foot closer than the bayo on your shotgun.

Reach is important in a fight. Physics are important in a fight. While the AR is a great tool for running and gunning, I'd much rather buttstroke someone with my shotgun than the little collapsible stock on the AR.

 

[Leadeye]

Best close quarters shotgun, the High Standard 10-B. Been around a long time.

 

[dbrier]

I'm really considering converting one of my extra 870s to a bullpup with a kit from Bullpup Unlimited.

 

[sunman88]

I'm really considering converting one of my extra 870s to a bullpup with a kit from Bullpup Unlimited.

I had a friend do that and it was actually pretty fun to shoot afterwards. I was surprised to say the least.