How I damaged gun rights today

[Redhorse]

By the way, what happened in Ohio? It seems some open carriers made a scene and got arrested. This surly can't be good.

 

[ATM]

By the way, what happened in Ohio? It seems some open carriers made a scene and got arrested. This surly can't be good.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...50735-ohio-open-carriers-arrested-jailed.html

More people walking around with slung rifles. Not sure why there were arrested after the fact or what they'll be charged with, I certainly didn't see anything illegal in the video.

People just get outraged when they see any sort of personal freedom displayed these days.

 

[SteveM4A1]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...50735-ohio-open-carriers-arrested-jailed.html

More people walking around with slung rifles. Not sure why there were arrested after the fact or what they'll be charged with, I certainly didn't see anything illegal in the video.

People just get outraged when they see any sort of personal freedom displayed these days.

That goes for a lot of people here on INGO.

 

[jcwit]

Depends when freedom boarders on stupidity.

 

[SteveM4A1]

Depends when freedom boarders on stupidity.

Good thing freedom isn't defined by your subjective views.

 

[ATM]

Depends when freedom boarders on stupidity.

Liberty is not for the timid.

 

[rhino]

Does Lady Liberty accept boarders?

 

[ATM]

No.

 

[jcwit]

Good thing freedom isn't defined by your subjective views.

Nor defined by your views either.

Marching into a restaurant or a big box store with AR16's slung over ones shoulder is no more stupid than going into a theater and having a lond conversation with someone, or attending Church in a speedo, however non are illegal.

But if you wish to make fools of yourselves, have at it.

All of you claiming all this "Freedom" just what have you done for our country?

 

[rhino]

Is that the E1 model?

No.

 

[SteveM4A1]

All of you claiming all this "Freedom" just what have you done for our country?

How is this relevant? For your information, nothing worth mentioning.

 

[Redhorse]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...50735-ohio-open-carriers-arrested-jailed.html

More people walking around with slung rifles. Not sure why there were arrested after the fact or what they'll be charged with, I certainly didn't see anything illegal in the video.

People just get outraged when they see any sort of personal freedom displayed these days.

From what i've seen, it had to do with "racial slurs" and "menacing" or something. I guess they seemed threatening to the police or something. I don't think this'll reflect well for gun owners though.

 

[Redhorse]

Liberty is not for the timid.

Liberty is for everyone.

No.

Not going to lie, this should totally be legal, especially for the freight ships that find themselves in hostile (pirate) waters.

 

[cce1302]

very good political answer. You hit the buzzwords and said nothing. And you are FOS. You have repeatedly made the argument that OCT is doing a good thing and making a positive difference without any proof thereof. Not only that but you go so far as. To ridicule anyone else's viewpoint even though you have no substantial basis for your own argument.

I never made that argument.

NOONE (on INGO) has argued that these guys don't have a right to do it. NOONE has said so much as they think measures should be taken to prevent them from doing it. How then is Liberty being challenged? The argument being presented is rather one that challenges the benefit (to the 2A) of the actions taken vs the possible detriment in terms of political fallout. Ever heard of the law of unintended consequences? Some of us think it's stupid. Just like riding a motorcycle without a helmet, smoking tobacco, and voting for democrats. Is it legal? Yep. Do I try to make it illegal? Nope. But I think it's stupid and dangerous and detrimental. And I wish people wouldn't do it.

yet here you are throwing your weight behind those who want to make firearm carry illegal, just like the NRA "accidentally" did with their memo.

Your entire argument is fluid and the only thing you have proved is that whatever someone else says you can manipulate the language enough to continue with your theme of "you are always right and know everything and anyone who disagrees with you is not only wrong but needs to be made fun of for how wrong they are."

I just got tired of the BS you are hurling at a few of the guys and had to call you on it. /rant over.
Good day sir.
Viper out. (Yes, Rhino, I stole your line.).

I'm not belittling "people who have reservations about their methods." I'm belittling those who are taking the anti-liberty position without even looking at both sides of the story. Those who say in effect, "they have the right, but I will belittle them and oppose them until they stop exercising that right."

Nor defined by your views either.

Marching into a restaurant or a big box store with AR16's slung over ones shoulder is no more stupid than going into a theater and having a lond conversation with someone, or attending Church in a speedo, however non are illegal.

But if you wish to make fools of yourselves, have at it.

All of you claiming all this "Freedom" just what have you done for our country?

You really don't want to go there.

This certainly isn't a contest to see who fits your definition of "patriotic" or whatever you're trying to do. I suppose that's only "my opinion" as well?

 

[88GT]

Nor defined by your views either.

Actually, it is. Since those of us on the other side of the fence define liberty as, well, liberty. Not liberty with an asterisk. We don't impose artificial and arbitrary boundaries on behavior just because we don't necessarily like what others are doing.

Marching into a restaurant or a big box store with AR16's slung over ones shoulder is no more stupid than going into a theater and having a lond conversation with someone, or attending Church in a speedo, however non are illegal.

But if you wish to make fools of yourselves, have at it.

See, here's where you logic, if one can call it that, seems to hit the road block. You operate on the premise that the exercise of liberty has to be justified. You apply a filter of judgment to liberty that others don't feel it's necessary to apply. Which would be fine, if you limited the application of that filter to yourself or those over whom you have control, like your children. But it gets to be a bit of a problem when you want to apply that filter to the behavior of grown men (and women). You're welcome to your opinion of those who behave outside the norms and mores of society, of course. We all have opinions of others' behavior. But the difference between you and someone who really, truly grasps the concept of freedom is that the individual in the latter group can separate his personal judgment of the behavior from the condemnation of the man for doing it. The individual in the latter group can say to himself, "That lad is behaving a might ridiculous today, and I don't cotton to his actions. But thank the Lord this is a free country where he can be a maroon if he so chooses. All the better, I suppose, if the ladies find him equally juvenile."

Contrast that with the standard response here on INGO by those opposing the OC efforts: "That idiot/jerk/jackwagon/*******/etc shouldn't be doing what he's doing because I don't like it."

All of you claiming all this "Freedom" just what have you done for our country?

Well, for starters, I'm not asking my fellow man to voluntarily give up his rights. I would have thought that supporting freedom would be counted as supporting freedom. Do you not agree?

But I fail to see how the question is relevant to the conversation.

 

[actaeon277]

Actually, it is. Since those of us on the other side of the fence define liberty as, well, liberty. Not liberty with an asterisk. We don't impose artificial and arbitrary boundaries on behavior just because we don't necessarily like what others are doing.


See, here's where you logic, if one can call it that, seems to hit the road block. You operate on the premise that the exercise of liberty has to be justified. You apply a filter of judgment to liberty that others don't feel it's necessary to apply. Which would be fine, if you limited the application of that filter to yourself or those over whom you have control, like your children. But it gets to be a bit of a problem when you want to apply that filter to the behavior of grown men (and women). You're welcome to your opinion of those who behave outside the norms and mores of society, of course. We all have opinions of others' behavior. But the difference between you and someone who really, truly grasps the concept of freedom is that the individual in the latter group can separate his personal judgment of the behavior from the condemnation of the man for doing it. The individual in the latter group can say to himself, "That lad is behaving a might ridiculous today, and I don't cotton to his actions. But thank the Lord this is a free country where he can be a maroon if he so chooses. All the better, I suppose, if the ladies find him equally juvenile."

Contrast that with the standard response here on INGO by those opposing the OC efforts: "That idiot/jerk/jackwagon/*******/etc shouldn't be doing what he's doing because I don't like it."


Well, for starters, I'm not asking my fellow man to voluntarily give up his rights. I would have thought that supporting freedom would be counted as supporting freedom. Do you not agree?

But I fail to see how the question is relevant to the conversation.

 

[Roll Tide]

Oh, OK. Most of my working life was in management, wearing a suit & tie, dress codes were and are important IMO, I was one of those that hired & fired at times, and what I thought of someone was important.

Ever notice the old pictures from back in the 20's & 30's and take note as to how even the poorest dressed then? People going to church today do not even dress for the occasion. We have turned into a sloppy country.

You see, I don't work for you. So I couldn't give even the faintest shart if you like what I'm wearing. Hiding your judgmental personality behind a job title is cheap. Now, do you care the least bit that I think that about you?

What if I told you that the clothing doesn't make the man. What if I told you that the church doesn't care what you wear, and that the church would much rather you put your money in the offering plate, than in Ralph Lauren's bank account?

 

[jcwit]

You see, I don't work for you. So I couldn't give even the faintest shart if you like what I'm wearing. Hiding your judgmental personality behind a job title is cheap. Now, do you care the least bit that I think that about you?

What if I told you that the clothing doesn't make the man. What if I told you that the church doesn't care what you wear, and that the church would much rather you put your money in the offering plate, than in Ralph Lauren's bank account?

Very intelligent response, from a highly classy person.

 

[jcwit]

Here's what your so called "Freedom Fighters" have accomplished for you!

Derpin' Carry Texas Strikes Again: Gets Open Carriers Booted From Target Stores Nationwide - Bearing Arms

 

[actaeon277]

And if gun owners refused to go there, they might change their mind.
Instead, people will say, "Just CC and they'll never know."