Why does everyone love the Remington 870 so much?

[Zoub]

Im biased toward the mossbergs, mostly because of ease of use, especially if your a lefty.

But I have an open mind, and I have nothing against the 870's, I just have never been able to see why theyre so beloved.

People like guns they can hit stuff with, they don't like guns they tend to miss with. Most people have no clue why they hit or miss with any given shotgun or how to correct it.

Sometimes people equate a love for one gun with a dislike for another. The two are not connected. Chances are I can out shoot you with any Mossberg you may own. I still prefer 870's and all the **** talking that goes along with having fun with shotguns. That is usually where people start to plateau or peak in their skills, they stop having fun. My GF was like that for awhile, she got too uptight, then she discovered she could be good with any gun............if she wanted too.

 

[billt]

So you agree, Mossbergs are turds. Clearly you don't know much about polising turds.

I am thinking of that insult dog right now, it would be classic if someone could do that for this topic. Maybe he could put the turd polishers in their place once and for all?

What the hell are you talking about??

 

[indiucky]

Indiucky I'm a little surprised, I kinda figured your reply to the 500 or 870 question would be /......" neither,go out and find a nice model 12 Win or Rem model 17"..... lol

My earlier post stated "I prefer the Winchester model 12 or Ithaca model 37...Followed by a very large BUT...If I had to choose"....


Us old guys are so predictible!!!!

 

[Hookeye]

The Remington 870 Police Models have a Parkerized barrel and receiver. The Mossberg 590 A-1 Models have Parkerized barrels. The receiver is Aluminum on all Mossberg pump models, so Parkerizing is not necessary. I think they are bead blasted, or else treated to some type of finish that mimics Parkerizing, so that it matches the Parkerizing on the barrels.

I do know that older 870 Police models were of polished blue.
But saw some non walnut models that looked Parkerized, dunno when they started offering that.

BTW, I'm kinda old and am no M37 fan.

Not really an 870 fan, they're 870's................made a few of 'em, kinda boring, no matter what the flavor.............but I do like a flat shooting gun that goes bang every time, and rather enjoy the effects of their usage on critters and clays.

 

[Bravo-4-2]

It's the most reliable production shotgun ever made and nearly anyone can afford it. It also has the most aftermarket accessories, which is mostly why it sells better than the Mossberg.

 

[danielson]

I guess my question would be why do you want us to love the Mossberg more than the 870 so bad? I have 3 870's, 2 Expresses, and one express special purpose turkey gun. My dad has 3 870's two express and one Wingmaster. They are what I grew up with, and they all performed flawlessly as mine have since I bought them. I have never shot a Mossberg, but I have handled one and it just felt cheaper to me. All of mine have been purchased since 2008, and I handled several brands before deciding on the 870. It to me, was the better gun for the money at the time. Maybe they changed since I bought mine.

Not trying to sway anyone. I'm saying, if you were impartial, which you clearly are not, as stated above, and you walked into Bradis, picked up a brand new 870 express, and a brand new Mossberg 500, you wouldn't feel much difference between them in anyplace but your wallet.
My buddy shoots trap every week with an 870 express 410, and a Mossberg 500 12g, and he agrees theres not much difference, which is what got me thinking about this.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, too many others are already doing that. I'm trying to figure out if there is some kind of REAL reason for their preference, other than nostalgia, or unfair comparison.
If its been awhile since you've bought your express, go check one out, they're not that great anymore.

No, a polished turd is still a turd.

Any 870 can be turned into a diamond, a Mossberg is still a Mossberg. Hand me an 870 from 40-50 years ago or one from yesterday, I am not buying any Mossberg. That is how I roll. What other people do is not relevant. There are people out there who are just like me only they say Mossberg where I say 870.

WOW, thats the kind of crap that made me create this post in the first place. Do you have any LOGIC or REASON to back up your ramblings?

People like guns they can hit stuff with, they don't like guns they tend to miss with. Most people have no clue why they hit or miss with any given shotgun or how to correct it.

Sometimes people equate a love for one gun with a dislike for another. The two are not connected. Chances are I can out shoot you with any Mossberg you may own. I still prefer 870's and all the **** talking that goes along with having fun with shotguns. That is usually where people start to plateau or peak in their skills, they stop having fun. My GF was like that for awhile, she got too uptight, then she discovered she could be good with any gun............if she wanted too.

You might be able to hit better with it, but that doesnt make it better, it makes YOU better. Were comparing the guns here, not the shooters.

It's the most reliable production shotgun ever made and nearly anyone can afford it. It also has the most aftermarket accessories, which is mostly why it sells better than the Mossberg.

Where is that reliable claim coming from? Lets not bring up affordability unless you want to bring up cost/benefit analysis, and explain to me why the Express is often around 100$ more expensive than the 500.

 

[tradertator]

Not trying to sway anyone. I'm saying, if you were impartial, which you clearly are not, as stated above, and you walked into Bradis, picked up a brand new 870 express, and a brand new Mossberg 500, you wouldn't feel much difference between them in anyplace but your wallet.
My buddy shoots trap every week with an 870 express 410, and a Mossberg 500 12g, and he agrees theres not much difference, which is what got me thinking about this.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, too many others are already doing that. I'm trying to figure out if there is some kind of REAL reason for their preference, other than nostalgia, or unfair comparison.
If its been awhile since you've bought your express, go check one out, they're not that great anymore.

I did a quick search on Buds for a run of the mil 28" 870 Express (Remington 870 Express 12 28 Rem-Choke Mod Wood $332.00 SHIPS FREE) and a Mossberg 28" 500 (Mossberg 12 Ga/28" Blue Barrel w/Accu Choke Set & Wood Stock $303.00 SHIPS FREE). There's less than $30 in the price. Personally I would pass on both and buy an albeit used, but much nicer Wingmaster for less money. But my point is you like Mossberg, some people like Remington. Why do you care so much? Different strokes for different folks, I really don't understand why some people on this forum feel the need to be validated upon their personal firearm choices. Use what works best for you or fits your budget, and don't worry about it.

 

[Zoub]

Not trying to sway anyone. I'm saying, if you were impartial, which you clearly are not, as stated above, and you walked into Bradis, picked up a brand new 870 express, and a brand new Mossberg 500, you wouldn't feel much difference between them in anyplace but your wallet.
My buddy shoots trap every week with an 870 express 410, and a Mossberg 500 12g, and he agrees theres not much difference, which is what got me thinking about this.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, too many others are already doing that. I'm trying to figure out if there is some kind of REAL reason for their preference, other than nostalgia, or unfair comparison.
If its been awhile since you've bought your express, go check one out, they're not that great anymore.



WOW, thats the kind of crap that made me create this post in the first place. Do you have any LOGIC or REASON to back up your ramblings?



You might be able to hit better with it, but that doesnt make it better, it makes YOU better. Were comparing the guns here, not the shooters.



Where is that reliable claim coming from? Lets not bring up affordability unless you want to bring up cost/benefit analysis, and explain to me why the Express is often around 100$ more expensive than the 500.

Yeah I posted a bunch of **** because that is what this whole thread is, ****.

ALL guns are designed to kill. Killing is done by the proper application of ft/lbs to the thing you want to kill. When their guts are spilling out NO one will know if they got hit with 3.5" magnum loads or 2 3/4" buffered loads or whether it came from a $2,000 gun or $200 gun.

I run 870's today for the same reasons I chose 870's over Ithaca 37's and out of production Winchester 12's in 1978. I am also convinced I can out shoot you with any shotgun you own or any shotgun on the planet. Why am I so sure of that, well for one reason because I don't need to ask others why they like the guns they like, I just make hits with the ones I am using at the time.

I have taken a $150 pawn shop Cop trade in 870 and beat guys using a $2k Benelli, in hits AND times. So a guy with a bad shoulder using a pump beats a Semi auto in both accuracy and speed? Which gun do I like better? The Benelli. Which gun is better, you tell me, I cant tell because I know how to shoot them all. Yes, I will even beat you using a .410 while you use a 12 gauge, no big deal really. That is what I believe to be true but I am always to prove it as well. Who cares if I am wrong, I don't.

Now do you want to know why I prefer the safety placement on an 870 over a Mossberg yet I am just fine with using a tang safety on an O/U or SxS?

 

[lovemachine]

Zoub is a badass.

 

[billt]

I am also convinced I can out shoot you with any shotgun you own or any shotgun on the planet.

Whenever you have a thread that is titled, "This Gun vs. That Gun", it always seems to graduate to posts like this one after a dozen pages or so.

 

[jb1911]

Twin action bars and tradition go a long way.

To billt: Love your avatar.

 

[billt]

To billt: Love your avatar.

Thank you.

 

[Hookeye]

As stated before................870's have a thinner wrist, which I prefer for wingshooting.
I also find that their balance and ergonomics/stock dims are most comfortable for me.

Yeah, guys can shoot clays or bunnies with anything...............but if you look at those who are a bit more serious about it..................how many run a friggin' Mossberg 500?

Sure some folks have more $ than sense and try to make their wallets speak instead of their scores.............but it aint always that way.

 

[Hookeye]

M500 vs 870................kinda like comparing a Harbor Freight hammer with an Estwing.
The kid pounding together a bird house in the garage might not care................but go ask a carpenter.

 

[billt]

...............but if you look at those who are a bit more serious about it..................how many run a friggin' Mossberg 500?

About as many as do an 870. At least in regards to dedicated Trap & Skeet shooters. Pump guns of any kind have fallen out of favor over the last several decades. No dedicated Trap shooter wants all that rocking and rolling that comes along for the ride on the forend of ANY pump shotgun. Most all shoot break guns. Either BT-99 singles, or else some type of O/U. If you look at any high average ATA Trap shooter, none will be shooting pumps. They are all but worthless for doubles.

 

[cce1302]

Whenever you have a thread that is titled, "This Gun vs. That Gun", it always seems to graduate to posts like this one after a dozen pages or so.

And that's why I can't stop reading this thread.

870 or 500? Doesn't matter. I'm better than you. Don't question me.

 

[chezuki]

Why does everyone love the Remington 870 so much?

Because it's badass.

/thread

 

[xM3RC1L3SS1x]

Because i love chevy's. Real men drive Chevy's and shoot 870's. Sometimes at the same time.

 

[danielson]

Nevermind

Wallet

 

[snapping turtle]

Second gun I ever owned a birthday present at 15. Never really needed the other 50 or so I have. It can do about anything in North America if one had to. (Well maybe not bighorn sheep but if I could get within 200 yards I could)

So used to it I would feel weird with anything else.