Loud Music Trial

[Timjoebillybob]

How could they have found the first five shots were justified and the following three were not? Also, where did you read that the kids were shot at while they were driving away?

They could have believed his testimony about what was said to/about him, and that the victim was opening the door and he saw something coming up that he believed was a shotgun. Which could justify shooting. When they were driving away, they were fleeing and no longer posed a threat.

Here is a link which discusses it some. It has pictures of the first two sets of shots (7 total) and has a picture of the last 3. With trajectory rods inserted to show the angle.
Loud Music Murder Trial | Closing Argument | Jury Verdict

 

[ruger1800]

Would Dunn have shot at the car, with the exact same scenario, except for the kids being white.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

*puts on Johnny Cochran glasses* When the bad guy has split, one must quit.

 

[Que]

They could have believed his testimony about what was said to/about him, and that the victim was opening the door and he saw something coming up that he believed was a shotgun. Which could justify shooting. When they were driving away, they were fleeing and no longer posed a threat.

Here is a link which discusses it some. It has pictures of the first two sets of shots (7 total) and has a picture of the last 3. With trajectory rods inserted to show the angle.
Loud Music Murder Trial | Closing Argument | Jury Verdict

Thanks for the link. I like the "Reasonable Doubt" slide. The jury is full of it, but I hope they go back and do it right the second time.

 

[bingley]

No, it has something to do with the way prisoners segregate themselves into racist groups while in prison. Police are segregated, child offenders often too, people that commit crimes that are viewed as having a racial aspect are often in danger from other groups. Dunn should probably be segregated, or he'll have to take in with the Nazis or Bikers.

He may be ready to do that:

Just prior to the trial, the State Attorney’s Office released a set of letters Dunn sent from prison revealing significant animus toward blacks. “The more time I am exposed to these people, the more prejudiced against them I become,” he said in one. “This jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs,” he said in another. The letters did not come into play during trial.

How To Make Sense Of The Michael Dunn Verdict | ThinkProgress

What do you expect to find in jail? The best representatives of every race you come across? Anyway, I think this gives Kutnupe's idea more weight: Dunn applied a stereotype to the black kids. He probably shot out of unwarranted fear.

As for our debate about getting killed for disrespect, Dunn claimed disrespect had nothing to do with shooting the victim.

The shooting, he told jurors, had nothing to do with the “obnoxious” bass music — or “rap crap” as he called it Tuesday — that thundered out of the teenagers’ Durango, which was parked alongside his vehicle. And it had nothing to do with Mr. Davis’ profanity-laced reply to the “common courtesy” request Mr. Dunn said he politely made that the teenagers lower the volume on the car stereo, he added.
Instead, it was set off by an escalating sense of menace that Mr. Dunn said he felt after he saw Mr. Davis point a shotgun at him, get out of the vehicle and make an explicit threat to kill him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/u...-of-his-testimony-in-killing-of-teenager.html

The fiancee's account suggests to me that Dunn lied about having seen a shotgun. I think he also lied about Davis posing a threat. I think he recklessly fired into the car full of kids because he felt entitled to do so to black kids who fit a stereotype. Don't disrespect the white man, was the message he wanted to send.

 

[ruger1800]

So your saying Dunn is a victim of a socially engineered catch-22

 

[copperhead-1911]

How hard would it have been for Dunn to pay for his gas and leave?

Exactly as hard as it would have been for the kids to turn it down. He was wrong and no two ways about it with what he did, but one member pointed out why dunn probably felt threatened. That does not make it right though.

 

[copperhead-1911]

No, it has something to do with the way prisoners segregate themselves into racist groups while in prison. Police are segregated, child offenders often too, people that commit crimes that are viewed as having a racial aspect are often in danger from other groups. Dunn should probably be segregated, or he'll have to take in with the Nazis or Bikers.

Thanks. I thought some might have been implying there are a disproportionate number of non-whites in jail.

 

[Hawkeye]

I have no idea the point you're trying to make. Are you saying death, following being disrespected, should be and is acceptable in our society?
I used the Feudal Japan example, because such was both understood and expected in cases of tarnish honor, even to the point that one would kill themselves (47 Samurai, for instance).

Obviously your point was rather opaque then. My point is you don't have to go to "feudal Japan" to find folks ready to fight if they've been "dissed". Get it now?

 

[bingley]

Obviously your point was rather opaque then. My point is you don't have to go to "feudal Japan" to find folks ready to fight if they've been "dissed". Get it now?

Dude, you were pretty unclear. I'm with Kutnupe on this one.

 

[churchmouse]

IBTL

 

[mrjarrell]

Looks like they're putting him away forever.

Michael Dunn Found Guilty Of First-Degree Murder In Killing Of Jordan Davis

 

[HoughMade]

That was not a strong self-defense case.

Where does this weird presumption that because a guy goes an get s a permit (or a license) he must be assumed to be a "good guy"?

 

[rambone]

That was not a strong self-defense case.

Where does this weird presumption that because a guy goes an get s a permit (or a license) he must be assumed to be a "good guy"?

It goes hand in hand with the presumption that a guy without a license is a bad guy.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Where does this weird presumption that because a guy goes an get s a permit (or a license) he must be assumed to be a "good guy"?

The Internet?

Anyone read anything about any potential issues on appeal?

 

[copperhead-1911]

That was not a strong self-defense case.

Where does this weird presumption that because a guy goes an get s a permit (or a license) he must be assumed to be a "good guy"?

Couple things

1, Man do they get ticked when a vote for the democratic candidate gets removed from one state to the city of Chicago.
ok all kidding aside
2, If his mama and daddy taught the young boy some courtesy he would be alive. I don't agree with what the guy has done, but there is no excuse to blast music the way some people do. There are some who will hurl "racist" allegations if you ask for the decency of turning it down.
3, I thought it was a lousy self defense case as well
4 any prayer he had was removed when he ran and did not call 911.

4, I will not say the man's story is not plausible, but when you carry a gun you take these chances. You need to be very aware. it seems he was WAY TOO QUICK TO SHOOT.

5, God rest the kids soul and heal the family

 

[Colt]

Dunn got life.

 

[Que]

[video]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797472/white-man-shot-dead-black-teen-argument-loud-rap-music-sentenced-life-without-parole-victim-s-mother-says-forgives-him.html#v-3846864720001[/video]

 

[mrjarrell]

Wow. The Daily Fail is just now reporting on something that happened a year ago? INGO has it all over them.

 

[Que]

Wow. The Daily Fail is just now reporting on something that happened a year ago? INGO has it all over them.

I thought that was a little strange, but I hadn't seen the video of the mother before.