Where do you meet up when selling a firearm??

[superjoe76]

Make sure you park with your vehicle facing the nearest exit! You know, just in case it all goes bad!

Seriously though, public place with enough traffic but not so much that everyone is gawking!

 

[Thor]

movie theater i usually text the guy during the movie when i am ready

Texting in a movie theater just might get you shot...or it will make it easy for the purchaser to find you when you get thrown out.

 

[DDadams]

Okay SO when I list this I'm pretty sure all of you would be comfortable meeting in a parking lot.

I'd bring a buddy, and obviously, you would get in my passenger seat to inspect it, etc?


Is it normal or would it offend someone if I had a firearm bill of sale with me to be filled out?

I'll probably put that on the ad when I list that I'd feel more comfortable knowing that I had some kind of paper trail saying I didn't own the gun any more.

 

[jagee]

Okay SO when I list this I'm pretty sure all of you would be comfortable meeting in a parking lot.

I'd bring a buddy, and obviously, you would get in my passenger seat to inspect it, etc?


Is it normal or would it offend someone if I had a firearm bill of sale with me to be filled out?

I'll probably put that on the ad when I list that I'd feel more comfortable knowing that I had some kind of paper trail saying I didn't own the gun any more.

If the weather is nice you can just stand outside the car and 'show off' the gun for the other person to look it over.

If you want a bill of sale (I use them too) just either state it in the add or let the person know in the PM's while negotiating price/meet location/etc...let them know ahead of time before you both waste your time for a no sale.

 

[DDadams]

If the weather is nice you can just stand outside the car and 'show off' the gun for the other person to look it over.

If you want a bill of sale (I use them too) just either state it in the add or let the person know in the PM's while negotiating price/meet location/etc...If they aren't comfortable with the bill of sale then they probably aren't a 'proper person' and you want to let them know ahead of time before you both waste your time for a no sale.

Just stand outside while people are driving by / walking around?

Wouldn't that raise the attention of gun grabbers and people who hate guns?

I mean, I know that we're allowed to open carry, but what if someone called the cops freaking out because "someone has a gun in the parking lot and is going to shoot someone! help!"

I can't imagine that would end perfectly well.

 

[jagee]

Just stand outside while people are driving by / walking around?

Wouldn't that raise the attention of gun grabbers and people who hate guns?

I mean, I know that we're allowed to open carry, but what if someone called the cops freaking out because "someone has a gun in the parking lot and is going to shoot someone! help!"

I can't imagine that would end perfectly well.

I've sold long guns in the parking lot of a Kohl's (big parking lot, we were in the back away from the store) and a Cracker Barrel (off to the side of the building, not out front by the door) ...both times I opened my car/truck door and got the gun out of the box so they could check them out. They liked what they saw, put it back in the box, gave me the money, we exchanged a few pleasantries and went on our way. Everyone else not involved in the sale had no idea what was going on, they are busy in their own little world. Just stay out of the direct path to the door of the business, but not out back in the alley or something, and people won't even notice you.

 

[iChokePeople]

If you want a bill of sale (I use them too) just either state it in the add or let the person know in the PM's while negotiating price/meet location/etc...If they aren't comfortable with the bill of sale then they probably aren't a 'proper person' and you want to let them know ahead of time before you both waste your time for a no sale.

Generalize much? There are LOTS of people on INGO who have an LTCH, NFA stuff, buy from gun stores, some who have held .gov clearances for years, or decades, who would prefer not to do a bill of sale, ESPECIALLY if it wasn't mentioned up front. If that's something you want, for whatever reason, just mention it during the negotiation phase so that the other person can decide whether he/she wants to play. Assuming that someone who doesn't want to play your paperwork game must not be a proper person is... well, let's just say it's a silly assumption.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Generalize much? There are LOTS of people on INGO who have an LTCH, NFA stuff, buy from gun stores, some who have held .gov clearances for years, or decades, who would prefer not to do a bill of sale, ESPECIALLY if it wasn't mentioned up front. If that's something you want, for whatever reason, just mention it during the negotiation phase so that the other person can decide whether he/she wants to play. Assuming that someone who doesn't want to play your paperwork game must not be a proper person is... well, let's just say it's a silly assumption.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[jagee]

Generalize much? There are LOTS of people on INGO who have an LTCH, NFA stuff, buy from gun stores, some who have held .gov clearances for years, or decades, who would prefer not to do a bill of sale, ESPECIALLY if it wasn't mentioned up front. If that's something you want, for whatever reason, just mention it during the negotiation phase so that the other person can decide whether he/she wants to play. Assuming that someone who doesn't want to play your paperwork game must not be a proper person is... well, let's just say it's a silly assumption.

Yes, it is an assumption, but IMO if you aren't willing to put your name and signature on a piece of paper (I'll also give you one with my name and signature) then, to me, you aren't a proper person. The state of Indiana may view you as proper, but I don't. I also said to either state that you want a bill of sale in the add or the PM's while negotiating, so no one wastes their time meeting up and then not buying/selling because they don't want to do the paperwork. There is a lot more paperwork involved in buying/selling used vehicles, all I ask for in a firearm transaction is a name and signature on a piece of paper, sorry if you don't want to give that info up.

 

[Gluemanz28]

If the weather is nice you can just stand outside the car and 'show off' the gun for the other person to look it over.

If you want a bill of sale (I use them too) just either state it in the add or let the person know in the PM's while negotiating price/meet location/etc...If they aren't comfortable with the bill of sale then they probably aren't a 'proper person' and you want to let them know ahead of time before you both waste your time for a no sale.

I would probably pass on a deal if I was asked to sign a bill of sale by somebody. I will give an example why. A friend (lets call him guy 1) I know told his wife if she ever left him he would kill her. She finally had enough of the verbal and physical abuse and got out. The guy wigged out and started stalking her. He even put a note in her mom and dad's morning newspaper stating that a "Husband, wife and daughter were about to die" They are elderly and live in a retirement community. This is only one of the arrest that he has been a part of since the divorce proceedings started.

The police got involved and wanted to know anything concerning guns that the guy was involved in including gun sales, trades, loans and guns stashed. He stashed guns with three different people totaling about 20 handguns and long guns.

Another friend (lets call him guy 2) had about 10 guns in his safe holding them at the request of the guy 1 before he wigged out.

LEO called guy 2 and started questioning him about the guns that he had and asked him to surrender them, which he didn't do. They had no way to prove he had them. He was worried that they could possibly be destroyed. He is going to give them back if the guy is able to get them back and is mentally stable enough, both of which will probably never happen. They will more than likely be sold and the money given equally to the couple.

I am a very upstanding guy but I will not do paper work on any gun except new due to the fact that I'm not getting caught up in the back lash of someone else's issues.

This might not be an issue for others but after witnessing this first hand it is a new standard for me. I understand if someone does want a bill of sale and respect them for that but it doesn't mean I have to buy from them I'm sure somebody else will and that ok.

 

[iChokePeople]

Yes, it is an assumption, but IMO if you aren't willing to put your name and signature on a piece of paper (I'll also give you one with my name and signature) then, to me, you aren't a proper person. The state of Indiana may view you as proper, but I don't. I also said to either state that you want a bill of sale in the add or the PM's while negotiating, so no one wastes their time meeting up and then not buying/selling because they don't want to do the paperwork. There is a lot more paperwork involved in buying/selling used vehicles, all I ask for in a firearm transaction is a name and signature on a piece of paper, sorry if you don't want to give that info up.

Ah, so it's just the jagee standard of "proper person". Fine. I don't consider anyone who likes basketball or soccer a proper person, so I guess "different strokes". I suspect, though, that most who read your earlier post will INFER the same thing I did, which is that you were saying that someone who doesn't want to give personal information to a stranger from the interwebs is not a proper person in the terms normally associated with gun sales.

 

[1775usmarine]

Public places in view of the security cameras. I usually scope out the exits if needed and position myself accordingly.

 

[jagee]

Ah, so it's just the jagee standard of "proper person". Fine. I don't consider anyone who likes basketball or soccer a proper person, so I guess "different strokes". I suspect, though, that most who read your earlier post will INFER the same thing I did, which is that you were saying that someone who doesn't want to give personal information to a stranger from the interwebs is not a proper person in the terms normally associated with gun sales.

So you've never bought a used car from someone you didn't know...or off the interwebs? On the bill of sale/title transfer for a car you have to put not only your name and signature, but your address as well. I'm not asking for an address, I could care less where you live...I just want your name. If you want what I am selling but don't want to sign a piece of paper then move on. I'll sell to someone else. I don't have to sell it to you because the state of Indiana thinks you are a proper person. Just like you don't have to buy from me if you don't like my stance on a bill of sale. There are plenty of people with less than 50 posts on INGO that are 'proper' but according to the rules set forth by Fenway, they can't buy my gun that I have listed for sale here (I don't list guns anywhere else, so they don't have the option to contact me outside of INGO)

 

[iChokePeople]

So you've never bought a used car from someone you didn't know...or off the interwebs? On the bill of sale/title transfer for a car you have to put not only your name and signature, but your address as well. I'm not asking for an address, I could care less where you live...I just want your name. If you want what I am selling but don't want to sign a piece of paper then move on. I'll sell to someone else. I don't have to sell it to you because the state of Indiana thinks you are a proper person. Just like you don't have to buy from me if you don't like my stance on a bill of sale. There are plenty of people with less than 50 posts on INGO that are 'proper' but according to the rules set forth by Fenway, they can't buy my gun that I have listed for sale here (I don't list guns anywhere else, so they don't have the option to contact me outside of INGO)

No, I have never bought a car from a stranger on the interwebs. As I said, as long as we're only talking about YOUR standard of a "proper person", do whatever blows your skirt up over your head, champ. Your attempts at diversion are unnecessary.

 

[DDadams]

Okay so I guess the bill of sale is a really iffy thing with you guys.

I understand, but I'm just trying to cover my end here...

The Walther I'm going to list is completely brand new and it would be easy enough to tell that in a quick inspection. So maybe that would ease some concern about drama like previously mentioned but barely at all.

I'll just play it by a case by case thing.

I guess if an INGO member with 2k++ posts or a huge previous trade history on here contacts me then there's really not much a point.

I just like to be safe on my end on everything I do. Been burned by a lot of people I trusted that I knew, hard to trust people I don't know, you know?

 

[iChokePeople]

Okay so I guess the bill of sale is a really iffy thing with you guys.

I understand, but I'm just trying to cover my end here...

The Walther I'm going to list is completely brand new and it would be easy enough to tell that in a quick inspection. So maybe that would ease some concern about drama like previously mentioned but barely at all.

I'll just play it by a case by case thing.

I guess if an INGO member with 2k++ posts or a huge previous trade history on here contacts me then there's really not much a point.

I just like to be safe on my end on everything I do. Been burned by a lot of people I trusted that I knew, hard to trust people I don't know, you know?

If you want a bill of sale, ask for one -- just be clear about it in the negotiations. There's nothing BAD about it, you just need to understand that you'll reduce your buyer pool to some extent.

 

[jagee]

Okay so I guess the bill of sale is a really iffy thing with you guys.

I understand, but I'm just trying to cover my end here...

The Walther I'm going to list is completely brand new and it would be easy enough to tell that in a quick inspection. So maybe that would ease some concern about drama like previously mentioned but barely at all.

I'll just play it by a case by case thing.

I guess if an INGO member with 2k++ posts or a huge previous trade history on here contacts me then there's really not much a point.

I just like to be safe on my end on everything I do. Been burned by a lot of people I trusted that I knew, hard to trust people I don't know, you know?

Do whatever you're comfortable with. If you want a bill of sale, then require a bill of sale. If they don't want to sign it, it is your call. No law requires it, it is just personal preference.

Personally, I require it. That is obviously not a favorable opinion by everyone on here, and I am ok with that.

Sorry for the thread jack with the bill of sale dispute...that happens around here a lot, you'll see.

 

[DRob]

Simple enough. State the conditions of your sale in your ad. Don't like my conditions, don't buy my gun. Never had a buyer or seller balk because I insist on ID and a bill of sale/receipt. Soon as that happens, the deal is off!


There have been almost as many guns sold in the Gander Mountain parking lot as in the store!

 

[jsharmon7]

Most everyone has mentioned large public parking lots. To add to that, whenever possible I try to pick the right type of parking lot also. You'll be less likely to have somebody freak out if you meet in the parking lot of Gander Mountain, LGS, or similar. For example, I would try at all costs to avoid meeting in the Target parking lot lest we scare the soccer moms!

 

[DDadams]

Most everyone has mentioned large public parking lots. To add to that, whenever possible I try to pick the right type of parking lot also. You'll be less likely to have somebody freak out if you meet in the parking lot of Gander Mountain, LGS, or similar. For example, I would try at all costs to avoid meeting in the Target parking lot lest we scare the soccer moms!

I'll be honest I didn't even think about Gander Mountain. I saw Wal-Mart mentioned and all I could think about was how awful that could go if someone who was COMPLETELY anti-gun saw a handgun in the hands of someone not in a uniform.

I live like 15 minutes from Castleton, and that'd definitely be worth the drive.