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  • theblackknight

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    I have taken pictures downrange. I felt 100% safe at the time.

    It is possible to be "downrange", yet be fine. Like this!

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    Not soo much like this.

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    Sylvain

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    I can't imagine someone shooting near me. That must be so scary.

    :):

    I would be scared to be downrange only if I knew the students were poor shots.

    In some circles even shooting directly at someone as long as you aim at the vest, and not the head, is safe practice.And that's how you master shooting under stress, learn how to trust your partner's aim and your own aim in life and death situations.

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    theblackknight

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    Trying to pass off stupid **** masked brazilians do in cartel "training" isnt exactly helping your case.


    His, or anyone else's feelings are irrelevant. Nowhere in a sane, professional setting do people try to rationalize something so blatantly unsafe. This isnt "big boy rules", because non of these people are big boys.
     

    TheAutomator

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    Trying to pass off stupid **** masked brazilians do in cartel "training" isnt exactly helping your case.


    His, or anyone else's feelings are irrelevant. Nowhere in a sane, professional setting do people try to rationalize something so blatantly unsafe. This isnt "big boy rules", because non of these people are big boys.

    Marginalizing people you've never met? Cute.
     

    WETSU

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    Blackknight. You are wrong. You need to read more and post less. You do not know what you are talking about and you are generalizing. Period.
     

    theblackknight

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    Marginalizing people you've never met? Cute.

    If you need to meet someone who puts people next to targets before you think its unsafe, you are a retard. He marginalized himself.

    WETSU Blackknight. You are wrong. You need to read more and post less. You do not know what you are talking about and you are generalizing. Period.

    Notice you don't actually show how I'm wrong, because you can't.

    Go ahead and show me a relevant trainer or company with a JSOC, SOCOM,FLETC,FAM or experianced* LEO background, that puts personnel between targets in open enrollment firearms class.
     
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    Britton

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    When I cross the road I go up to the road, about 10 feet back from the traffic. I look both ways and then I cross the road. I am sure there is a possibility one of the drivers could be texting and cross the center the line and strike me as I am looking the other way. But I still have to get across the road to the other side.

    I hope you understand that example "theblacknight" and how it relates to your question. If you don't, then go back to eating your Twinkies, drinking your coke, and watching Dawn of the Dead while you stroke you air-soft rM4. The big boys instead are going to train on a range in a 360 world.
     

    the1kidd03

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    Go ahead and show me a relevant trainer or company with a JSOC, SOCOM,FLETC,FAM or experianced* LEO background, that puts personnel between targets in open enrollment firearms class.
    Even entry level grunts fire past one another, within a foot or two...

    The first two don't exactly hold "open enrollment" courses...
     

    theblackknight

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    When I cross the road I go up to the road, about 10 feet back from the traffic. I look both ways and then I cross the road. I am sure there is a possibility one of the drivers could be texting and cross the center the line and strike me as I am looking the other way. But I still have to get across the road to the other side.

    I hope you understand that example "theblacknight" and how it relates to your question. If you don't, then go back to eating your Twinkies, drinking your coke, and watching Dawn of the Dead while you stroke you air-soft rM4. The big boys instead are going to train on a range in a 360 world.

    Dude, I hate zombie nerds and preppers. Try again. I have been thinking about a M&P airsoft to make dryfire a litttle better.

    -1 for envoking the tuff guy "big boy rules" and "I train for the 2 way range" derp. You are better then that I hope. It's very tired and usually telling for the person uttering it.

    Again, show me a legit training group that does this ****. Im still active duty here in NC and I've got real trainers like Kyle Lamb,Larry Vickers, Tigerswan, Jack Leuba etc etc within 2 hour drive and they dont pull stupid **** like that.

    By all means guys, keep swinging from James's sack.
     

    Britton

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    Oh, so your one of those guys. The Military provides the best training, how could lowly civilians ever do what we do. Let me tell you fellow war fighter, your wrong.
     

    the1kidd03

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    Tell me again how a squad movement range or life fire shoot huse is the same as a open enrollment defensive pistol class.
    Explain to me, how the context of a class/training is at all relevant to your proposed point of a photographer taking it upon himself to take pictures down range...
     

    repeter1977

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    Oh, so your one of those guys. The Military provides the best training, how could lowly civilians ever do what we do. Let me tell you fellow war fighter, your wrong.

    From what I seen, he mentioned other trainers, more then a couple of them that do not do this. He never said that he was military and that we train the best, he stated that he was in the military and thats why he was where he was, with nearby trainers that do not do that.
     

    Britton

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    From what I seen, he mentioned other trainers, more then a couple of them that do not do this. He never said that he was military and that we train the best, he stated that he was in the military and thats why he was where he was, with nearby trainers that do not do that.

    Just because they don't do that does not make it wrong or unsafe. And I apologize if I misunderstood him in regards to military training. I know a bit about military training, after 14 years of service, and it is not all the time the best.
     
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