Caught On Camera: 2 LAPD Officers Investigated For Use Of Force During Arrest

[drillsgt]

Can anyone explain for me how you might even attempt to excuse the congratulatory fist-bump? Are they really that proud of themselves under the circumstances?

They just survived a harrowing encounter and were going to make it home that night.

 

[rambone]

 

[GBuck]

Can anyone explain for me how you might even attempt to excuse the congratulatory fist-bump? Are they really that proud of themselves under the circumstances?

No one here is making excuses for anything. Some of us would just rather let the investigators do their job than trust blindly in a highly edited video.

Bah bah, is right Phylo. Many of these people are the same that blame the media for glorifying Obama and destroying the GOP.

 

[phylodog]

Are you calling this a "fight" with a straight face?

Cops need to be thick skinned, no matter what came out of her mouth for the cops to react in this manner is an indication of a lack of control on the cops part. Not the kind of cop I want to be pulled over by while I have a gun in my vehicle.

Sadly, this kind of conduct will continue until good cops decide to find it totally unnacceptable instead of reaching for ways to explain or excuse it.

Can you please tell me what happened in the part of the video which was edited out?

There are many ways to explain something done by a police officer that most people who have no experience will find excessive. This is why use of force by a police officer is judged in court from the perspective of a reasonable officer provided only with the same information the officer in question had.

I'm inclined to believe that something happened on that video that the media doesn't want to show because it doesn't support their sensationalized version of events. Perhaps that missing link would justify the first take down, perhaps not. Just seems prudent to want as much information as possible before passing judgement.

Lets say I respond to a call of an active shooter at a business and the only information I'm provided is a white male with a handgun. I show up and as I approach the front doors I observe a white male with a handgun who has the gun pointed toward something in front of him. I open the door and say "police drop the gun" as he turns toward me with the gun in his hand. I shoot and kill him. The I notice another while male laying 10 yards in front of the man I shot with a pistol in his hand. Oops. I just shot and killed an armed citizen who had probably saved some lives. I made a judgement based on limited information and I was wrong. Was there malice? Intent to kill an innocent person? Would I be found guilty of murder in court? Not likely. What would people say here on INGO? I shouldn't have made that decision based on the limited information I had at the time. It's ok when the shoe is on the other foot however.

 

[phylodog]

Can anyone explain for me how you might even attempt to excuse the congratulatory fist-bump? Are they really that proud of themselves under the circumstances?

Nope. There is no explanation available. It was a bad decision and likely points out some flaws in the way these guys think and act. They'll have to answer for it and their answers will fall short.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Ok, so the video is edited, big deal. The last body slam did not appear to be edited. It appears the worse the lady could have done at that point is kick, bite, or struggle a little, none of which I can see as being a reason to faceplant someone in cuffs into the pavement.

 

[IndyDave1776]

No one here is making excuses for anything. Some of us would just rather let the investigators do their job than trust blindly in a highly edited video.

Bah bah, is right Phylo. Many of these people are the same that blame the media for glorifying Obama and destroying the GOP.

I will give your department the presumption of carrying out honest and thorough investigations. This is the investigation that has been most prevalent in my travels, especially regarding departments who harbor the type of officer most in need of investigation and arguably castration (serve and protect the gene pool!):

 

[exelh]

Can you please tell me what happened in the part of the video which was edited out?

There are many ways to explain something done by a police officer that most people who have no experience will find excessive. This is why use of force by a police officer is judged in court from the perspective of a reasonable officer provided only with the same information the officer in question had.

I'm inclined to believe that something happened on that video that the media doesn't want to show because it doesn't support their sensationalized version of events. Perhaps that missing link would justify the first take down, perhaps not. Just seems prudent to want as much information as possible before passing judgement.

Lets say I respond to a call of an active shooter at a business and the only information I'm provided is a white male with a handgun. I show up and as I approach the front doors I observe a white male with a handgun who has the gun pointed toward something in front of him. I open the door and say "police drop the gun" as he turns toward me with the gun in his hand. I shoot and kill him. The I notice another while male laying 10 yards in front of the man I shot with a pistol in his hand. Oops. I just shot and killed an armed citizen who had probably saved some lives. I made a judgement based on limited information and I was wrong. Was there malice? Intent to kill an innocent person? Would I be found guilty of murder in court? Not likely. What would people say here on INGO? I shouldn't have made that decision based on the limited information I had at the time. It's ok when the shoe is on the other foot however.

You are comparing apples to oranges here. I saw no gun in this woman's possession, saw no reason for the officers to be in fear of their lives. If two officers cannot handle one 5'4" woman without needing to slam her to the pavement while in cuffs, then they have no business exercising authority over anyone. The celebratory fist bump is all I need to see to know that these are bad apples, don't compare them to good oranges, that is an insult to all the good oranges of the world.

 

[phylodog]

The point of my post is that making judgements based on limited or intentionally slanted information is not the best idea. I'm not comparing the officers in the video to any other officers on the planet.

 

[rambone]

I would like to hear what name she called the officers. I demand audio!

 

[45calibre]

she is lucky to be alive, they could have done her like they did that homeless guy.

 

[j706]

The first take down looked like it was not done on purpose. It looked more like a loss of balance between three people. That can happen easily. On the second one you can clearly see the woman's leg coming up. It looks like she was attempting or actually kicked one officers in or near the groin. She was clearly resisting. While it doesn't look to good especially with the typical media spin I don't think it is clear cut as some would like to think. Oh and her occupation has no bearing on what happened. They mentioned that quite often.

If you get pulled over and start running your mouth and doing stupid stuff sometimes things happen. Bet she thinks twice before doing that crap again.

 

[VUPDblue]

what if the words that came out of her mouth were "I'm gonna kill you"? that would change things a bit, no? I don't know that she said that but I don't know that she didn't, either. As phylodog said, the media doesn't know the whole story and they are doing their best to make sure we don't either....

 

[Kutnupe14]

Are you calling this a "fight" with a straight face?

Cops need to be thick skinned, no matter what came out of her mouth for the cops to react in this manner is an indication of a lack of control on the cops part. Not the kind of cop I want to be pulled over by while I have a gun in my vehicle.

Sadly, this kind of conduct will continue until good cops decide to find it totally unnacceptable instead of reaching for ways to explain or excuse it.

Firstly, I think that from what I've seen of the vid that the interaction looks pretty dang bad. I think the second slam was pretty brutal, but there's no way tell for what reason she was taken down so forcefully. I find it very difficult to believe words led to her eating pavement, but on the same token there are guys that would go overboard in such a way. However, one thing I've learned about irate women being taken into custody, is that they love to bite and love to throw back kicks to a guys "jewels." At such point that a persons tries to bite or hinder my ability to sire children, then road rash is probably a good trade off.

And if these officers are being badge heavy, charge them and let them hit the unemployment line.

 

[KG1]

The first take down looked like it was not done on purpose. It looked more like a loss of balance between three people. That can happen easily. On the second one you can clearly see the woman's leg coming up. It looks like she was attempting or actually kicked one officers in or near the groin. She was clearly resisting. While it doesn't look to good especially with the typical media spin I don't think it is clear cut as some would like to think. Oh and her occupation has no bearing on what happened. They mentioned that quite often.

If you get pulled over and start running your mouth and doing stupid stuff sometimes things happen. Bet she thinks twice before doing that crap again.

IDK what you were watching in that video but I just watched it again and I couldn't "clearly" see the woman raise her leg in an attempt to kick the officer.

What I did see was they had her cuffed facing the vehicle and appeared to be patting her down when she jerked her left arm away from the officer which resulted in being taken down the second time.

 

[j706]

If both of those guys had 12 months each on the road it would be a little easier for me to think they were just ticked off. But with a guy with 20 years I am thinking there is more to it that isn't being show. Maybe not but we have been down this road so many times before when it turned out to be a totally legit UOF.

I don't put one ounce of faith in the media telling anything right...anything. We have all saw little stories that after the media gets a hold of it you barely recognize it...especially when you was there to see and witness it.

 

[rgrimm01]

what if the words that came out of her mouth were "I'm gonna kill you"? that would change things a bit, no?...

Did you see the size of those 2 guys? I am thinking that statement gets her head bumped on the car as they are "assisting" her into the car. It looks like she is making it clear she has no intention of getting into the car. I have no doubt that she is resisting and being verbally abusive.

I also have no doubt that the big boy's faceplant was filled with anger and meant to hurt her. He drove her head into the asphalt after slinging her(have you ever tripped with your hands in your pockets?). People have died from less impact than that. Even if she did threaten their life(I am not excussing her actions one bit, totally ill advised), she is handcuffed, her options are limited? They could have hogtied her and slid her screaming into the car, with little effort.

One does not have to know exactly what is wrong with something to know when something does not look right. This does not look right...

 

[CathyInBlue]

She's lucky to be alive. One of those officers could have had the last name of Meserle.

 

[mrjarrell]

She can count herself lucky that they didn't kill her.

LAPD investigates officers' use of force in woman's death - latimes.com

 

[hornadylnl]

The first take down looked like it was not done on purpose. It looked more like a loss of balance between three people. That can happen easily. On the second one you can clearly see the woman's leg coming up. It looks like she was attempting or actually kicked one officers in or near the groin. She was clearly resisting. While it doesn't look to good especially with the typical media spin I don't think it is clear cut as some would like to think. Oh and her occupation has no bearing on what happened. They mentioned that quite often.

If you get pulled over and start running your mouth and doing stupid stuff sometimes things happen. Bet she thinks twice before doing that crap again.

All this because she was talking on a cell phone while driving. Someone needs to tell this lady to apply for IMPD. That way she can email on a laptop, while driving at a high rate of speed and drunk. Then she can have her fellow officers botch every aspect of the investigation allowing her to get out of murder charges for mowing down a motorcyclist.

The article is definitely slanted. I won't argue that one bit. You don't trust the media to tell the truth so they can further an agenda. Please tell me why I as a non officer should put any more faith and trust in you than you put in the media. I just sat on a jury trial for an OWI charge. We listened to the officer's testimoney and then we watched the dash cam footage. Of the 7 jurors, we all believe that the officer embellished his side of the story and it didn't match what the video showed. So why should I trust that officer any more than I trust the media?