UN gun ban

[Mosinowner]

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Same as Morris. Hope senate doesn't pass it

 

[PINski1015]

Take what Morris and other fear promoters say with a grain of salt. One of Morris's last videos on this subject was taken apart and disproved. Also 58 Senators have already said they wont support the legislation. I'm not saying don't be mindful of this legislation and forget about it; but just realize a lot of people have taken the opportunity to promote fear in the name of video views and subscriptions on this subject.

 

[Johnny C]

how many congressmen and senators saidm they wouldnt support Obamacare and look what happened.

 

[Mark 1911]

How about a just a UN ban?

 

[PINski1015]

How about a just a UN ban?

That's change I can believe in.

 

[KLB]

how many congressmen and senators saidm they wouldnt support Obamacare and look what happened.

Not many Democrats did, and they had a majority in both houses.

 

[Bunnykid68]

how many congressmen and senators saidm they wouldnt support Obamacare and look what happened.

Obviously enough of them changed their minds for our own good

 

[SmallTownGunner]

I can respect being mindful of what slides across the desks in Washington but after spectating much of the mindless babble regarding this UN Small Arms Treaty it's nearly become a laughing matter. From what I've seen, people are behaving as if all is lost and the end is near. Many media outlets have been exaggerating it, it's become a business edge for many weapons dealers (I don't blame them for it), and the usual response is the typical "they can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands" or "I'll be cocked and locked when they come knockin' for my guns". It's humiliating personally because that kind of behavior sums up the crazed gun owner stereotype. It all boils down to fear mongering which doesn't help anything. I never sat through the entire Nutnfancy video but I'm sure its up to par with what I'm mentioning. I love my firearms, I love my rights, I love having access to exercise both, but I also do my best to understand what the government can and can't do and this is something that is far beyond reality. Could it effect us? Perhaps to a certain level but this isn't the death of guns. Maybe I'm a naive college student who doesn't see the fear but we have checks and balances for a purpose, they haven't always held up the best in past history but they do their part.

 

[Dybber]

I haven't had time to research this but Dick Morris said it doesn't matter if it's ratified, which it would be at the current count of senators that support it. However, if it's signed, it doesn't have to be ratified if Harry Reid doesn't bring it up for a vote. The U.S. would be bound by it if it's signed and waiting for a vote. So, if it's signed at the end of the month like its expected to be and Obama gets re-elected then we would be bound by it for the next 4 years and 4 months.

 

[indybuell]

Without a 2/3 majority in the Senate this SAT will have no power here. If you ask me, we should immediately withdraw from the UN. It's of no value to the US.

 

[flagtag]

SmallTownGunner: "Dictator" Obama has gone around Congress before - many times. Who says he will honor them, the Constitution, and/or his Oath of Office this time?

Obama wants to take this country down and has been doing a pretty good job of it so far. He won't give up. (Ego, you know)

 

[VN Vet]

I wrote to Lugar and Coats asking them if this goes through with Hillery, to not ratify the BS Treaty. Below is Lugar's reply to me:

Dear Mr. Schmidt:

Thank you for contacting me about a treaty related to the control of small arms. I appreciate having the benefit of your views and welcome this opportunity to respond.

I support the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens to possess firearms for sporting, collecting, and defensive purposes; I also support Indiana law related to the purchase and ownership of firearms. Indiana's Constitution provides both a liberty and a property right to bear firearms, which is stronger Second Amendment protection than the residents of many states enjoy.

Although meetings on a conceptual treaty related to the trade of conventional weapons are occurring, whether such a treaty will be finalized and what it would contain are not yet known. If a treaty is signed by a President in the future it would be subject to the advice and consent of the Senate, requiring the very high standard of a two thirds vote.

To date, the Administration has not engaged with the Senate on such a treaty. Any treaty dealing with arms should receive extremely close scrutiny to ensure that it does not infringe on the Constitutional rights of Americans.

Thank you, again, for contacting me.

Sincerely

Richard G. Lugar
United States Senator

 

[KLB]

I haven't had time to research this but Dick Morris said it doesn't matter if it's ratified, which it would be at the current count of senators that support it. However, if it's signed, it doesn't have to be ratified if Harry Reid doesn't bring it up for a vote. The U.S. would be bound by it if it's signed and waiting for a vote. So, if it's signed at the end of the month like its expected to be and Obama gets re-elected then we would be bound by it for the next 4 years and 4 months.

58 of them already said they are against it. How does that leave enough to ratify it? You need 66.

 

[Ted]

I wrote to Lugar and Coats asking them if this goes through with Hillery, to not ratify the BS Treaty. Below is Lugar's reply to me:

Dear Mr. Schmidt:

Thank you for contacting me about a treaty related to the control of small arms. I appreciate having the benefit of your views and welcome this opportunity to respond.

I support the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens to possess firearms for sporting, collecting, and defensive purposes; I also support Indiana law related to the purchase and ownership of firearms. Indiana's Constitution provides both a liberty and a property right to bear firearms, which is stronger Second Amendment protection than the residents of many states enjoy.

Although meetings on a conceptual treaty related to the trade of conventional weapons are occurring, whether such a treaty will be finalized and what it would contain are not yet known. If a treaty is signed by a President in the future it would be subject to the advice and consent of the Senate, requiring the very high standard of a two thirds vote.

To date, the Administration has not engaged with the Senate on such a treaty. Any treaty dealing with arms should receive extremely close scrutiny to ensure that it does not infringe on the Constitutional rights of Americans.

Thank you, again, for contacting me.

Sincerely

Richard G. Lugar
United States Senator

Standard format of a pro 2A letter that his office sends anyone and everyone.... and still full of lies.

 

[Ted]

I'll remind everyone that the Senate failed to ratify SALT II as well, but the language was still considered as valid for 7 years.

 

[jeremy]

How about a just a UN ban?

Two points of contention here for use to ponder;

1st. How has previous UN Bans worked to ever change anything? Could ask a couple dozen two-bit Dictators that one huh....

2nd. Who is going to enforce these bans against us?

 

[jeremy]

58 of them already said they are against it. How does that leave enough to ratify it? You need 66.

It's 67 actually, not 66...

 

[flagtag]

Without a 2/3 majority in the Senate this SAT will have no power here. If you ask me, we should immediately withdraw from the UN. It's of no value to the US.

It is to Obama if it helps him get his way. (And can blame someone else)

 

[karl77]

if they ban small arms, where might one purchase large ones instead???

 

[Ted]

if they ban small arms, where might one purchase large ones instead???

Arms may fairly easily purchased for export through companies operated out of China, France, Russia, UK, and the U.S.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

[/FONT]Coincidentally, these countries that manufacture the largest number of both small and large arms, are also the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council.