Quit telling me a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama

[Fletch]

Libertarians are not "conservatives", by any stretch of the imagination.

Prezackly. I'm amazed that this is still a thing.

 

[hornadylnl]

No, when I was 26 the sky wasn't falling...maybe a few cracks though. Nothing some moderate action in the right direction wouldn't have fixed.

Then and now I think a balanced budget amendment would do much to solve some issues.

OK, lets say a balanced budget amendment gets passed. The government is currently taking in roughly $2 trillion and spending $3.5 trillion. Where is that $1.5 trillion going to be made up? Raising taxes? Likely as half the country doesn't pay any income taxes. Cutting spending? What are they going to cut? Remember my 80% of the people are tyrants comment? There isn't a single spending program that can be cut without a significant amount of recipients of said program putting congress in check. The government would rather risk pissing you off by raising taxes than taking your handout from you. The federal government writes 73 million checks every month. Who among that 73 million is going to forego their check?

 

[Fletch]

OK, lets say a balanced budget amendment gets passed. The government is currently taking in roughly $2 trillion and spending $3.5 trillion. Where is that $1.5 trillion going to be made up? Raising taxes? Likely as half the country doesn't pay any income taxes. Cutting spending? What are they going to cut? Remember my 80% of the people are tyrants comment? There isn't a single spending program that can be cut without a significant amount of recipients of said program putting congress in check. The government would rather risk pissing you off by raising taxes than taking your handout from you. The federal government writes 73 million checks every month. Who among that 73 million is going to forego their check?

Yep. You need candidates lined up 2 deep because the first ones are going to lose their jobs after one term.

 

[jamil]

OK, lets say a balanced budget amendment gets passed. The government is currently taking in roughly $2 trillion and spending $3.5 trillion. Where is that $1.5 trillion going to be made up? Raising taxes? Likely as half the country doesn't pay any income taxes. Cutting spending? What are they going to cut? Remember my 80% of the people are tyrants comment? There isn't a single spending program that can be cut without a significant amount of recipients of said program putting congress in check. The government would rather risk pissing you off by raising taxes than taking your handout from you. The federal government writes 73 million checks every month. Who among that 73 million is going to forego their check?

No, I missed the 80% tyrants comment. I'd like to see you qualify that.

 

[jamil]

Yep. You need candidates lined up 2 deep because the first ones are going to lose their jobs after one term.

I didn't say it was easy to do, but that it would solve some problems.

 

[hornadylnl]

No, I missed the 80% tyrants comment. I'd like to see you qualify that.

Ever heard of lawn weapons?

 

[jamil]

Ever heard of lawn weapons?

No, I missed that too.

 

[Phil502]

OK, lets say a balanced budget amendment gets passed. The government is currently taking in roughly $2 trillion and spending $3.5 trillion. Where is that $1.5 trillion going to be made up? Raising taxes? Likely as half the country doesn't pay any income taxes. Cutting spending? What are they going to cut? Remember my 80% of the people are tyrants comment? There isn't a single spending program that can be cut without a significant amount of recipients of said program putting congress in check. The government would rather risk pissing you off by raising taxes than taking your handout from you. The federal government writes 73 million checks every month. Who among that 73 million is going to forego their check?

Well by all means, why do it? Why do anything, lets just stay at home on election day since there is no solution to anything, well except vote for Ron Paul, oh wait he can't fix anything either, it's impossible.

 

[mydoghasfleas]

No, when I was 26 the sky wasn't falling...maybe a few cracks though. Nothing some moderate action in the right direction wouldn't have fixed.

Then and now I think a balanced budget amendment would do much to solve some issues.

A balanced budget is just a red herring. Something they can promise you to get your vote.

Its pretty insulting when you think about it. They have taken part in stealing from us the most precious jewel of all, liberty, and then they try to buy our vote with the empty promise of a balanced budget amendment.

Liberty will never be returned to us by way of the republican party, and propping them up makes them behave worse.

If you are voting republican because you believe that they will, in time come to see the error of their ways and start to follow the constitution then you are voting on a false premise.

How much freedom will you need to lose before you stop rewarding them with your vote?

 

[mydoghasfleas]

Ever heard of lawn weapons?

I have! My Dad would make me go out into the yard and choose a stick to get whacked with. Never come back with a soft thin green one, they act like a whip and can and often draw blood even through a pair of jeans.

P.S. I love you Dad and miss you very much.

 

[KG1]

Saying that voting your mind is the "easy way out" is a little condescending no?

It's not the easy way out, it's not really a question of which is the easy way out. I have a different MO than you. Your one and only purpose in this election is to unseat BO. My goal is to be part of the catalyst that God willing will someday facilitate change. "There is no third party candidate that has the momentum to be a viable option," well yeah, not yet. You're making the wrong comparison in voting strategy. I never made any claims to whether or not you were right or wrong for voting for Romney, I don't really care who you vote for, I just get fed up with people self righteously telling me that my vote for a third party is a waste of time and ultimately nothing more than a vote for Obama.

You are under the assumption that I care who you vote for. I addressed another poster and laid out my voting strategy and gave my reasons for doing so.

You also make the assumption that I don't ultimately have the same goals similar to yours in the end.

I just make my own personal choice to stay in the game if I can't get the absolute perfect candidate nominated and do what I can to unseat a totally unacceptable candidate in Obama.

Do what you feel you have to do and i'll do the same.

 

[jamil]

A balanced budget is just a red herring. Something they can promise you to get your vote.

Its pretty insulting when you think about it. They have taken part in stealing from us the most precious jewel of all, liberty, and then they try to buy our vote with the empty promise of a balanced budget amendment.

Liberty will never be returned to us by way of the republican party, and propping them up makes them behave worse.

If you are voting republican because you believe that they will, in time come to see the error of their ways and start to follow the constitution then you are voting on a false premise.

How much freedom will you need to lose before you stop rewarding them with your vote?

I'm not a Republican. I dont believe we will realistically have a balanced budget amendment. So I dont believe politicians when they say they'll deliver one. I only said it would be good for the nation. Especially back when I was 26.

 

[hornadylnl]

Well by all means, why do it? Why do anything, lets just stay at home on election day since there is no solution to anything, well except vote for Ron Paul, oh wait he can't fix anything either, it's impossible.

You're catching on. Who is John Galt?

 

[jamil]

I have! My Dad would make me go out into the yard and choose a stick to get whacked with. Never come back with a soft thin green one, they act like a whip and can and often draw blood even through a pair of jeans.

P.S. I love you Dad and miss you very much.

We had a wheeping willow tree. They were ALL green!

 

[J_Wales]

We had a wheeping willow tree. They were ALL green!

LOL!

Dude, my grandparents and parents had weeaping willow trees.

We moved when I was young and I remember commenting to my father that I was glad to see there was no weeping willow at the new place.

That's when he walked me around to the other side of the house... and showed me the willow tree at the back of the property.

I'll bet he laughed about it then almost as much as I do today.

 

[blamecharles]

We had a wheeping willow tree. They were ALL green!

I'm from deep south Texas so only mesquite and huisatch, both are thorny as hell.

 

[Zeek]

If you want your vote to count and at some point get the people u want in office it has to start at the local level, get involved yourself, city counsel, school board, ect, you may even want to run for office on small scale, take the local seats, state rep, state senate seats, Congressional seats, US senate seats ( support Murdock) get the house, and senate, stop the dictator, shake up the establishment on both sides, turn this boat around, now that said,, i look at this as a 20 year war, and not a war won this November alone.

 

[mydoghasfleas]

I'm from deep south Texas so only mesquite and huisatch, both are thorny as hell.

OUCH!! I thought you were gonna say from texas trees were scarce so you were beaten with armadillows

Your dad may say "son, go out to the road and pick out which armadillow you want your whippin with". Texas is hardcore!

 

[J_Wales]

If you want your vote to count and at some point get the people u want in office it has to start at the local level, get involved yourself, city counsel, school board, ect, you may even want to run for office on small scale, take the local seats, state rep, state senate seats, Congressional seats, US senate seats ( support Murdock) get the house, and senate, stop the dictator, shake up the establishment on both sides, turn this boat around, now that said,, i look at this as a 20 year war, and not a war won this November alone.

Well said... and it is much more than a 20 year war.

Beware of coopting and those that confuse service with career.

 

[churchmouse]

If you want your vote to count and at some point get the people u want in office it has to start at the local level, get involved yourself, city counsel, school board, ect, you may even want to run for office on small scale, take the local seats, state rep, state senate seats, Congressional seats, US senate seats ( support Murdock) get the house, and senate, stop the dictator, shake up the establishment on both sides, turn this boat around, now that said,, i look at this as a 20 year war, and not a war won this November alone.

In all my reaction, over stating and ranting, this was all I was trying to say. This is not going to magically change in November. Do not pitch a vote away to make a point no one but you will ever see or know about. This will take more time than I have years left to fight.