Saw a man smoke a $500 cigarette

[dom1104]

FYI, I dont know if has already been said but...

It was probably only a 40 - 50 dollar cigarette.

Profit margin is not that great on guns ya know.

 

[fullmetaljesus]

No, what he said was its not the Goverment's bussiness if or where I smoke. Just like its not anyone's bussiness if I own or carry a gun.

You don't like smoking, I get it, so don't allow people to smoke in your house or on your property. My property, my rules.
If Joe Blow owns a gun store, bowling ally, bar, resturant it should be his choice on what goes on there, After all HE pays the bills

Exactly! Why I'd it people don't seem to get this? This is not rocket surgery.

 

[lucky4034]

I don't disagree with the thought... but I don't think comparing apples to oranges strengthens the stance.

I also don't blame the OP (some 4 weeks ago) for leaving a business where the owner smokes cigarettes, nor do I blame the owner for smoking in his establishment.

I personally no longer care to sit in smokey rooms and if I had my little girl with me, I would have also considered leaving once the guy lit up. But that's my right as well as his.

I also don't agree with the way they go about controlling cigarettes smoking in public. Not so much for the safety of patrons but more for the right of the shop/store/restaurant owners. Why infringe on someones ability to attract patrons.. especially if you are in a business where smokers make up a large portion of your target demographic....

The sad part to me is that there is very little consistency across the board on substance uses of any kind. The government can't make up their mind on whether or not they want to prevent people from infringing on others... or prevent people from endangering themselves.

Can't smoke a little recreational pot but can drink yourself into a black out stupor any day of the week...just so long as you don't drive. 20% of the population can subject their children to 18 years of 2nd hand smoke, but cook meth and you get charged with child endangerment (as well as a bunch of other charges).

Now don't take the above paragraph as me trying to advocate meth labs... I personally despise meth addicts as much or worse than any other type of addict, and will do my best not to associate with them at all, however I have a lot of friends who are cigarette smokers. But from a regulation standpoint.... One is stringently regulated (and rightfully so) even though the # of incidents are WAY LOW. While the other is completely unregulated and a LARGE part of the population partakes in the activity daily.

Even with all the people who are pro-smoke in this thread, very few of them are going to convince me that smoking cigarettes is a productive activity or claim that 2nd hand smoke isn't hazardous to their children or others.

If you are gonna ban Meth because it endangers people, then ban tobacco. Or if you are gonna allow people to kill themselves and people around them one puff at a time, then why not relieve them (and the rest of us) of a drawn out misery and let them smoke meth?

My personal feeling is that no substance should be banned... and only regulated if it endangers others. Want to smoke meth? be my guest.... Smoke meth around kids or in an unmarked public area and face the appropriate penalties. (for instance smoke in the presence of a minor get 10years prison)

Want to smoke cigarettes? Smoke yourself dead... Do it in a space that you don't own or around minors... face an appropriate fine.

Want to own an establishment where one can freely walk around and smoke cigarettes or crack.... Fine... post it on your door.

Is it fair to minors to be dragged by their parents to a smokey pub 3-4 nights a week and forced to sit in a plume of tobacco smoke for their survival?

The system lacks so much logic... you can't give a 12 year old a pack of cigarettes to smoke, but you can force one to sit in the passenger seat on a 4 hour road trip while you chain smoke. You can even lock the windows up if you want....

 

[lucky4034]

Exactly! Why I'd it people don't seem to get this? This is not rocket surgery.

So you advocate the right to smoke around kids, even in your own home?

 

[fullmetaljesus]

So you advocate the right to smoke around kids, even in your own home?

Yes.

I advocate the right to smoke. Smoking around kids? that's a judgement call on your part. If you don't give a rats ass, then smoke away.


If I were chilling out in my living room, smoking on one of my pipes, and some one came in with their kids and told me to put my pipe out, I would be a bit cross.


In the op's story. this guy was standing in his store. And as stated several times in this thread. His store, his rules. let the man smoke. hell, as far as im concerned he could be juggling knives, dancing to the electric slide, dancing like Micheal Jackson glove and all, he could be smoking hookah, pipe,cigar, cigarette all at the same time if he wanted to, riding a unicycle.

if the op is so offended by such acts, then he can just leave, we all know gun stores are all over the place. He can simply go to another store, its not that big of a deal. There is no reason to get all uppity with the shop keep. Who are you (general you, not literally you) to judge him or his actions. We all have our vices.

To me it seems we have lots of people here tripping over each other to try and cast that first stone.

 

[blamecharles]

So you advocate the right to smoke around kids, even in your own home?

I advocate freedom of choice. I dont have kids by my choice. This shop owner smokes and allows smoking by his choice. If you choose to have kids and choose to avoid a place by choice then great. If you choose to have kids and go to a place that allows smoking once again that is your choice. Not anyone elses.

 

[lucky4034]

Yes.

I advocate the right to smoke. Smoking around kids? that's a judgement call on your part. If you don't give a rats ass, then smoke away.

So you also advocate someone smoking around their own kids?

 

[dom1104]

So you also advocate someone smoking around their own kids?

I blow it right in there faces.

And then I grab em by the ears and say "Smell that? Smell that? Thats the smell of LIBERTY boy.. dont you forget it"

And then I grab my musket and go out and shoot me some coon.

 

[lucky4034]

Yes.

if the op is so offended by such acts, then he can just leave

And he did just leave.... and he didn't get uppity or anything else of the sort... he didn't say a word to the store owner. He just left

 

[fullmetaljesus]

And he did just leave....

he did leave, but yet had to get all uppity, when he told him he lost a sale because he was so offended.

I told the sales guy it's likely his shop and he can smoke if he wants, but to do so in proximity to my child cost him a $500 sale.

Man up and make your purchase and GTFO before your kid suddenly comes down with TB for being near smoke for 5 min, or just tuck your tail and GTFO.


"You see, kid, you are special you are my perfect little snow flake, and if some one doesn't do exactly what you want them to do, you get snarky and leave. Remember the world should revolve around you, therefore you are never to be uncomfortable or have to deal with awkward moments."

 

[lucky4034]

So.... should you be able to smoke around your own children?

 

[dom1104]

he did leave, but yet had to get all uppity, when he told him he lost a sale because he was so offended.



Man up and make your purchase and GTFO before your kid suddenly comes down with TB for being near smoke for 5 min, or just tuck your tail and GTFO.


"You see, kid, you are special you are my perfect little snow flake, and if some one doesn't do exactly what you want them to do, you get snarky and leave. Remember the world should revolve around you, therefore you are never to be uncomfortable or have to deal with awkward moments."

 

[fullmetaljesus]

So.... should you be able to smoke around your own children?

yes!

smoke, near your kids, their kids, your moms kids, your kid's kids. The preachers kids, the doctors kids, your dogs kids, goats that are kids, dragon kids, white kids, black kids, green kids, blue kids,

in house, with a blouse,

on boat, or in a coat

in a store, or even on Jersey shore,

while flying a kite, or riding a bike.

while shooting guns, or being hit by nuns.

 

[lucky4034]

If you choose to have kids and go to a place that allows smoking once again that is your choice. Not anyone elses.

Exactly... its not the kids choice and therefore IMHO should be taken into consideration at some point in this discussion.

Had the OP not given a **** and kept his kid there, then he should be held accountable, either him or the store owner who smokes in his establishment, yet allows kids to be in there. Unless of course you are saying that children should have no rights what-so-ever and until they are 18yo should involuntarily be subject to smoke without any relief.

This is the reason why you can't smoke on a plane anymore... because it infringes on others. Now the shop owner, owns his shop... so there in lies the problem. Who should be held accountable and at what degree of regulation should there be on all parties involved?

If he allows kids in his shop and parents are willing to bring their kids their, then kids have no choice but to inhale something detrimental to their health and NO ONE is responsible for giving them relief.

 

[lucky4034]

yes!

smoke, near your kids, their kids, your moms kids, your kid's kids. The preachers kids, the doctors kids, your dogs kids, goats that are kids, dragon kids, white kids, black kids, green kids, blue kids,

in house, with a blouse,

on boat, or in a coat

in a store, or even on Jersey shore,

while flying a kite, or riding a bike.

while shooting guns, or being hit by nuns.

Great then... next time a discussion comes up about abortion, I'll expect you to be pro-choice....

Mr. Full Metal Jesus

 

[blamecharles]

Exactly... its not the kids choice and therefore IMHO should be taken into consideration at some point in this discussion.

Had the OP not given a **** and kept his kid there, then he should be held accountable, either him or the store owner who smokes in his establishment, yet allows kids to be in there. Unless of course you are saying that children should have no rights what-so-ever and until they are 18yo should involuntarily be subject to smoke without any relief.

This is the reason why you can't smoke on a plane anymore... because it infringes on others. Now the shop owner, owns his shop... so there in lies the problem. Who should be held accountable and at what degree of regulation should there be on all parties involved?

If he allows kids in his shop and parents are willing to bring their kids their, then kids have no choice but to inhale something detrimental to their health and NO ONE is responsible for giving them relief.

Why are you against personal responsibility? Its isn't your decision what someone else does in their store. If you dont like it dont go but stop acting like it should be a damn crime.

 

[lucky4034]

Why are you against personal responsibility? Its isn't your decision what someone else does in their store. If you dont like it dont go but stop acting like it should be a damn crime.

Whose personal responsibility? Sure any adult is responsible and capable of choosing where and where they do not want to go... but kids aren't. They go where their parents take them, and unfortunately ignorant parents will take them anywhere....

I don't care if someone smokes in their store... but my question is should kids be allowed in that store if it is detrimental to their health and they were unfortunate enough to have dumb parents?

Now Im not saying it is or isn't right either way... only that if you are going to have this discussion, then don't forget the third party involved and how the government should go about making sure they have the protection they deserve.

 

[blamecharles]

Great then... next time a discussion comes up about abortion, I'll expect you to be pro-choice....

Mr. Full Metal Jesus

It actually is a choice no matter how many laws or argument are made against it.

 

[blamecharles]

Whose personal responsibility?

YOURS. If you don't want your kids or self around it then don't go.

 

[billmyn]

butt hurt much ? god i love ingo .