Tons of violence in broadripple causes an "occupy" with guns response.

[seamus]

It will be interesting to see what happens..........from a safe distance. That guy is not someone I would want to be a spokesperson for me that much is for certain.

 

[Yup!]

I had a conference call late in the day where I wasn't an active participant, so I took the opportunity to download a few of the gems.

occupybr's Greatest Hits

I only looked at thumbnails, so I only caught the obvious ones. I did luck onto a twofer though. The girl who is pointing the gun at her face with her finger on the trigger does a good job of clearly showing the swastika on the grips.

I saw some of these on the fbook page and that was when I made my decision to opt out. You've found some I didnt take the time to find, and WOW. I'm not only out, I'm almost going to switch my political affiliation. Perhaps Gun Control is a good idea....

 

[revance]

I paused readng at page 14... I will continue to read after posting this.

The good:

- Educating people in an area that has recently been plagued by violent crime.

- Using the recent violent crimes as an opportunity to show people that there are ways to protect yourself.

- Encouraging them to take responsibility for their own safety.

The bad:

- Using the name "Occupy Broad Ripple with Guns"... it is terrible. Everything about it stinks and its going to make us all look like fools.

- The person organizing it going on TV and showing the world he doesn't properly or safely carry his firearm. Walking around with a gun clipped onto your belt with the trigger fully exposed is DANGEROUS! I don't care that you don't have a round chambered... refer to Jeff Cooper's first rule. Not to mention carrying without a round chambered on an LCP is downright ridiculous. Do you really think you will be able to rack that tiny slide when the SHTF? Everything about carrying it in that manner screams "irresponsible and dangerous". I highly recommend that person get some real training. Go take some Gunsite classes.

- Last, I think you are wasting your time at that hour. You are merely going to be a source of entertainment to some drunken idiots.


Honestly, if this were not being labeled as an "Occupy" event, if it wasn't taking place when everyone there is drunk off their rears, and I hadn't learned that the guy organizing it is flashing his dangerous method of carry to the news cameras making us all look like tools, I would have been interested in participating.

 

[SirRealism]

I paused readng at page 14... I will continue to read after posting this.

This should be good. Awaiting your return after reading the rest.

 

[revance]

This should be good. Awaiting your return after reading the rest.

Wow... 13 pages later... lets just say I haven't changed my mind and decided to attend.


Sadly, carrying an LCP around with an exposed trigger isn't anywhere near the worst thing. The only good thing about this is that its only being covered by the local media (who rarely bother digging up dirt). Can you imagine what would happen if MSNBC got wind of this????

Last... I don't trust a Jennings pistol not to kill me when I have it pointed down range at a target. I sure as heck don't trust it pointing at my own face.

Has anyone contacted the JPFO? Maybe they would like to participate.

 

[bassplayrguy]

I have seen alot of people on here criticize and degrade the man and the idea. Is it the perfect way of doing something? Maybe not. However, what the hell are you doing to help other than armchair quarterback. Where is the hey let me help attitude on this forum? Sad really. Americans will never stand together on anything. Too many people have the ME attitude.

 

[Yup!]

I have seen alot of people on here criticize and degrade the man and the idea. Is it the perfect way of doing something? Maybe not. However, what the hell are you doing to help other than armchair quarterback. Where is the hey let me help attitude on this forum? Sad really. Americans will never stand together on anything. Too many people have the ME attitude.

Tell me you read the whole thread before posting that. If so, I'll comment back, if not - I wont bother.

 

[INMIline]

What ^ said

I have seen alot of people on here criticize and degrade the man and the idea. Is it the perfect way of doing something? Maybe not. However, what the hell are you doing to help other than armchair quarterback. Where is the hey let me help attitude on this forum? Sad really. Americans will never stand together on anything. Too many people have the ME attitude.

 

[SirRealism]

I have seen alot of people on here criticize and degrade the man and the idea. Is it the perfect way of doing something? Maybe not. However, what the hell are you doing to help other than armchair quarterback. Where is the hey let me help attitude on this forum? Sad really. Americans will never stand together on anything. Too many people have the ME attitude.

What am I doing? I can tell you what I'm not doing. I'm not hanging out with kids who point guns at their heads and paint swastikas.

 

[g00n24]

I have seen alot of people on here criticize and degrade the man and the idea. Is it the perfect way of doing something? Maybe not. However, what the hell are you doing to help other than armchair quarterback. Where is the hey let me help attitude on this forum? Sad really. Americans will never stand together on anything. Too many people have the ME attitude.

Im certainly not criticizing the idea (much). I'm all for educating anyone about firearms, carrying...
I am certainly criticizing the POS that is running this. Any fool who posts pictures of himself doing nazi salutes, holding up "**** jews" bumper stickers" and other pro-nazi images is an absolute piece of garbage who we should all shun and have absolutely nothing to do with. He will only set us responsible gun owners back if these images and his ideals should become more widely known. **** him for his beliefs.

 

[Yup!]

What am I doing? I can tell you what I'm not doing. I'm not hanging out with kids who point guns at their heads and paint swastikas.

So UnAmerican!

 

[bwframe]

What am I doing? I can tell you what I'm not doing. I'm not hanging out with kids who point guns at their heads and paint swastikas.

You know, aside from that whole hate thing and stupid gun handling, that girl with the tongue is smokin' hot.

 

[Booya]

I have seen alot of people on here criticize and degrade the man and the idea. Is it the perfect way of doing something? Maybe not. However, what the hell are you doing to help other than armchair quarterback. Where is the hey let me help attitude on this forum? Sad really. Americans will never stand together on anything. Too many people have the ME attitude.

I've heard a ton of suggestions on how to make this better, and I also don't think people are armchair quarterbacking. I think people are making it very clear that most do not want to stand with or support the individual, let alone the specific event.

Even I stated it's obvious to see the good intentions, just ill planned and not very well thought out. At this point, if he cancelled this event and threw together a campfire sing-a-long in the perfect place at the perfect time I still wouldn't go. He hasn't ever asked for help, he's merely shown attitude to those that openly refuse to support (the lazy and apathetic ones) and tried to guilt them into supporting with all the "what have you done lately" garbage. I can tell you right now, I'm not supporting and here's what I haven't done lately... Flip off Jews, sell or market an illegal substance, take pictures showcasing my guns & drugs, snap photos of HORRIBLE gun handling procedures then post it to the same FB page tied to an educational gun event. With the limited knowledge I have of this person, I find it hard to believe he's overly qualified to "educate" anyone.

 

[bassplayrguy]

My point is that I cant count how many people have said what a terrible idea this is but they don't come up with anything to help get a message out. Not the best spokesman I agree but alot of good people could help get a good message out to people who need it.

 

[bassplayrguy]

I've heard a ton of suggestions on how to make this better, and I also don't think people are armchair quarterbacking. I think people are making it very clear that most do not want to stand with or support the individual, let alone the specific event.

Even I stated it's obvious to see the good intentions, just ill planned and not very well thought out. At this point, if he cancelled this event and threw together a campfire sing-a-long in the perfect place at the perfect time I still wouldn't go. He hasn't ever asked for help, he's merely shown attitude to those that openly refuse to support (the lazy and apathetic ones) and tried to guilt them into supporting with all the "what have you done lately" garbage. I can tell you right now, I'm not supporting and here's what I haven't done lately... Flip off Jews, sell or market an illegal substance, take pictures showcasing my guns & drugs, snap photos of HORRIBLE gun handling procedures then post it to the same FB page tied to an educational gun event. With the limited knowledge I have of this person, I find it hard to believe he's overly qualified to "educate" anyone.

So what ARE you doing???? This thread is full of people telling what they won't do.

 

[Yup!]

My point is that I cant count how many people have said what a terrible idea this is but they don't come up with anything to help get a message out. Not the best spokesman I agree but alot of good people could help get a good message out to people who need it.

I think a lot are saying its a good idea actually. I think it's a good idea. I thought the 2nd news clip from WTHR was well done. I however can NOT afford to throw my name into a hat and be associated with this individual. So, what am I doing, I'm protecting myself. That is always my first priority.

Oh, and you didn't read the whole thread did you?

 

[Booya]

So what ARE you doing???? This thread is full of people telling what they won't do.

I educate people everyday. I work in the industry so it's fairly easy for me to do. I simply don't have the time to organize (or even participate in) an event.

People are shunning the guy at this point. Just like I stated earlier, no one is criticizing his intent or his message. Just the delivery of it. I also believe everyone is getting so passionate about this because everyone is afraid we're all going to pay for it. This event has a much higher possibility of bringing negative attention to the "responsible" gun community then it does positive. Good intentions, bad judgement.

 

[revance]

So what ARE you doing???? This thread is full of people telling what they won't do.

I sent the NRA $100 a couple weeks ago... and after reading this thread I feel an incredible urge to send the JPFO some cash too.

I'm guessing my actions have done far more to benefit gun owners than the PR train wreck this guy has created.


Seriously, the best thing we can do is distance ourselves from this disaster and lay low for a while until the general public has forgotten it ever happened. THEN we can worry about organizing something to educate the community. I would highly recommend some meetings be held before doing such a thing and require people attend those meetings. Organizations that hold events such as this typically make sure everyone attending knows the "party line" and won't go showing off their ignorance of gun safety or saluting Hitler or anything in front of the news cameras. They also make sure to appoint a spokesman to refer all media inquiries to... again, to avoid the display of unsafe gun carrying, handling, swastikas, **** Jews signs, salutes to Hitler, etc.

 

[bassplayrguy]

There are a ton of people criticizing the event. "I am not going because of the name of it", really??? Then why don't WE, the fine people of INGO organize an OC event the right way instead of always coming up with reasons we can't attend an event. I have seen a couple of people talk about an OC event and all of a sudden everyone is working that weekend or going out of town that weekend or blah blah blah.

 

[bwframe]

My point is that I cant count how many people have said what a terrible idea this is but they don't come up with anything to help get a message out. Not the best spokesman I agree but alot of good people could help get a good message out to people who need it.

If that's how you feel, then get with it!

Put together a plan that will fill a need.
Are you sure there is a need?
Start with knowing what you are talking about and demonstrating it.
Have a plan to track your positive results.
Make sure your enthusiasm is not just based on a self promoting stunt.
No one injured and no "bad" press is not a win.