Shut off their Air Conditioning for the Military

[gunman41mag]

This

Option #2, shut off all the air conditioning AND heat in every penal facility in the country and every government building.

Funny how ever time government starts whining over budget cuts the first thing they cut is stuff that every one else but them wants even if it's no cost at all. Like a boat ramp. It's a slab of concrete. What budget have they saved closing a slab of concrete? Funny thing no matter how far a government shut down goes they always have money for climate control in the state house.

JACK, I couldn't have said it any better, shut the A/C off on the prisons & government building first

 

[TopDog]

The money they have earned is like all employees which is the money and benefits they recieve while working. If they are like most americans and have to put their money into a 401k or whatever else to try to have something and retire then why not? Also, don't give me the "given up marriage" line as it is a persons choice to get married and up to BOTH of them to keep a marriage together. The draft is gone as it should be and people who have enlisted in the last 30+ years have done so 100% willingly and get payed while they do it. I would like to see all entitlements cut and personally believe pensions are 100% a waste. You live your life and work to provide for your family and part of that is saving for your retirement. Also, there is a reason social security is set at the age it is.

Why should tax dollars be going to people who are not currently working for the money and have no reason they can't?



So you are saying people enlist in the military for a pension? I thought it was to serve their country. If a person is only looking for a way to pay tuition or for a pension then they probably should look elsewhere for the money. A LOT of people who have been in the military will tell you they did so with pride and honor but I haven't heard any say they just did it for the pension. However, I personally know a few who did a short term enlistment just for college tuition.

You need a clue. First the retirement you get is not enough to live off. Unless you retire at 30 years and depending on your rank it will not be enough so that you can set around and do nothing. Second, to call it retirement is a misnomer, its a retainer fee. Yes I can be called back to active duty at any time regardless of age. This is specifically stated in the orders home you receive. How many civilans put in their time and can be called back regardless of age????

If you want a volunteer military you better put something up for the effort, otherwise bring back the draft and let your kids serve and risk their lives for just enough money until they get out, if they make it out in one piece, let alone alive.

Career military don't do it for the money. When I was active duty a SSGT (E6) with 10 years of service I had an Uncle that got a job as a janitor in a high school. He was making more money starting off then I was after 10 years in. Also at the time I was a SSGT, a E6 with 3 dependents rated food stamps. I don't know how military pay stacks up now but Im sure it is not enough. So no, its not for the money you either believe in what your doing or you get out. But no one wants to serve for 20+ years and walk away with nothing.

I left this thread because of military bashing, I took a look again out of curiosity. I think the ones that want something for nothing are the military bashers that want men and women to serve for little to no compensation. Enjoy your July 4th holiday.

 

[irishfan]

You need a clue. First the retirement you get is not enough to live off. Unless you retire at 30 years and depending on your rank it will not be enough so that you can set around and do nothing. Second, to call it retirement is a misnomer, its a retainer fee. Yes I can be called back to active duty at any time regardless of age. This is specifically stated in the orders home you receive. How many civilans put in their time and can be called back regardless of age????

If you want a volunteer military you better put something up for the effort, otherwise bring back the draft and let your kids serve and risk their lives for just enough money until they get out, if they make it out in one piece, let alone alive.

Career military don't do it for the money. When I was active duty a SSGT (E6) with 10 years of service I had an Uncle that got a job as a janitor in a high school. He was making more money starting off then I was after 10 years in. Also at the time I was a SSGT, a E6 with 3 dependents rated food stamps. I don't know how military pay stacks up now but Im sure it is not enough. So no, its not for the money you either believe in what your doing or you get out. But no one wants to serve for 20+ years and walk away with nothing.

I left this thread because of military bashing, I took a look again out of curiosity. I think the ones that want something for nothing are the military bashers that want men and women to serve for little to no compensation. Enjoy your July 4th holiday.

You definitely don't know what the pay is now if you don't think they get payed well. However, no amount of money makes up for death or a lost limb and that is not the point I am making. I am saying that if you are NOT providing a service and are still able to work then you should not be recieving tax dollars. I don't care who you are or what job you did.

 

[jeremy]

I don't know how military pay stacks up now but Im sure it is not enough.

As an E-6 SSG with 22 Years in the US Army I would be paid a 3533 a Month (Base Pay).


On a side note I would be more than Happy to lose the Pension, IF we drop paying out taxes. Until then though, I'll take my Monthly handout. I feel I have earned it...

 

[jeremy]

You definitely don't know what the pay is now if you don't think they get payed well.

Paid well...

Hmmm...
Think you can find a Civilian that is willing to work 100+ Hour weeks for 42,000 a year?!

 

[Awful Waffle]

You definitely don't know what the pay is now if you don't think they get payed well. However, no amount of money makes up for death or a lost limb and that is not the point I am making. I am saying that if you are NOT providing a service and are still able to work then you should not be recieving tax dollars. I don't care who you are or what job you did.

These guys put their lives on the line for our country. They do their 20+ years and then retire to live a more stable life and you dont feel they have earned a pension? Thats sick.

Do you just have a crappy job that has no benefits so you are bitter that other people get them or what?

 

[irishfan]

Paid well...

Hmmm...
Think you can find a Civilian that is willing to work 100+ Hour weeks for 42,000 a year?!

Does that include your housing allowance? My girlfriend was in the Navy and her base pay was more then most people make and when you add in housing allowance it was a LOT more.

 

[irishfan]

These guys put their lives on the line for our country. They do their 20+ years and then retire to live a more stable life and you dont feel they have earned a pension? Thats sick.

Do you just have a crappy job that has no benefits so you are bitter that other people get them or what?

I don't agree with any tax payer funded pensions.

This forum is something else. I stayed out for a while but couldn't help come back in to see if the same old b.s. is thrown around and it is by the same people. If you take a stance of agreeing with more health care and better work conditions or pro union then you are a left wing liberal socialist. However, if you take a conservative stance on fiscal issues that you all don't agree with then you are "sick" and right wing extreme. Do most of you even realize that your view is not that popular to the majority of Americans? Look at who is in the White House and that should be clear. Also, look at the best candidates that most of YOU get elected. Seriously, Richard Lugar and Dan Coats are your two senators from Indiana and the house is full of rino's at best. I vote both sides of the aisle and vote for what I think is right and am proud to be considered a left wing liberal who is sick and a bit right wing. Oh by the way...I did vote for Obama and the reason is he was better then that joke of a candidate the Republicans put up there with John McCain. If the Republican party puts up another turd candidate like Palin or Romney then you can bet I will be voting for Obama again.

 

[jeremy]

Does that include your housing allowance? My girlfriend was in the Navy and her base pay was more then most people make and when you add in housing allowance it was a LOT more.

No that does not include the Housing Allowance.

Your point?!

 

[irishfan]

No that does not include the Housing Allowance.

Your point?!

The military does get payed quite well for their service. A lot of people think that they get payed pennies like they did 30-40 years ago and that is not the case anymore. I am not saying that any amount of money makes up for a lost limb but they are payed very well as far as pure finances go.

 

[gunowner930]

The military does get payed quite well for their service.

They don't get paid well for what they do. My first deployment to Iraq as a Marine Lcpl E-3 pog in 2006, I worked 14 hour shifts everyday. I was making roughly $2000 a month total during this period. That is 98 hrs per week and comes out to $4.76 per hour in a 30 day month. When I wasn't deployed as an E2 or E3 my twice a month check was in the neighborhood of $600.

Now, to get civilian contractors in the right field to deploy will cost the US government about $150k+ in annual salary alone.

 

[TopDog]

You definitely don't know what the pay is now if you don't think they get payed well. However, no amount of money makes up for death or a lost limb and that is not the point I am making. I am saying that if you are NOT providing a service and are still able to work then you should not be recieving tax dollars. I don't care who you are or what job you did.

Fine then you will have to go to a draft and then find some way to force people to stay for 20 years or more. You are talking conscripts for a 20 year or longer term. You can not have a volunteer military without some kind of compensation. And I don't mean monthly pay that usually is barely enough to live on. You would have people doing the forced 4 years then getting out. You would have to make the monthly pay huge if you had no retirement to get people to stay long enough to fill the upper ranks.

So exactly what are you advocating? Involuntary servitude (a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another) or enormous increase in pay. If you go the enormous increase in pay route to circumvent the meager retirement you would increase tax dollar cost tremendously. You are not going to get it both ways, meager monthly pay and no retirement without forced servitude. Even if you go the draft route you are not going to be able to keep people to stay long enough to fill the upper ranks without some decent compensation.

Oh and by the way not to side track but you are talking about tax dollars for doing nothing? Remember military retirement pay is retainer fee not a give away. Welfare to illegal Mexicans is costing us far more than the military including retirement pay. Cut welfare to illegals, then welfare to those that set around doing nothing and never earned their way, cut pay and compensation to those that lord over us (Congress, President etc) then look at cutting pay and benefits to those that serve, sacrifice and even die for the meager compensation they receive.

You want to get rid of people sucking off the tax tit? Start with the loafers and politicians first, then look at the military. So dont even mention the military until you take care of the useless fat first.

 

[irishfan]

You want to get rid of people sucking off the tax tit? Start with the loafers and politicians first, then look at the military. So dont even mention the military until you take care of the useless fat first.

I would like to see it ALL gone period.

 

[CVMA544]

I would like to see it ALL gone period.

Your guy ? I believe you stated earlier you voted for the current adminstration? (which is more than most people can say about their participation in the process)

Obama Snubs Nation's Heroes, Becomes the First President to Skip Ball Honoring Medal of Honor Recipients in Over 50 Years | Cleveland Leader

Vets are a National Security threat? Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times

Die and get it over with? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204683204574358590107981718.html

Senators slam plan for wounded vets to use private insurance - CNN.com



Maybe we should just euthanize all of us who are disabled from military service and save some more money for the current adminstration (your guy) to give to those who won't work, those who aren't here legally, and to spend on more bailouts and stimulus, as it is clear what you and the current adminstration think of us anyway.

You said earlier you girlfriend was in the Navy, I take it then that is the limits of your military experience?

No purple intended.

 

[TopDog]

Your guy ?

Obama Snubs Nation's Heroes, Becomes the First President to Skip Ball Honoring Medal of Honor Recipients in Over 50 Years | Cleveland Leader

Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times

And my favorite: Senators slam plan for wounded vets to use private insurance - CNN.com

Maybe we should just euthanize all of us who are disabled from military service and save some more money for the current adminstration (your guy) to give to those who won't work, those who aren't here legally, and to spend on more bailouts and stimulus, as it is clear what you and the current adminstration think of us anyway.

No purple intended.

The Napolitano report is especially scary:

Nice, it lists returning veterans as among terrorist risks to the U.S.

and

"In her statement Wednesday, Ms. Napolitano defended the report, which says “rightwing extremism” may include groups opposed to abortion and immigration"

People against illegals getting free hand outs / sucking off the tax tit are usually counted as "rightwing extremists opposed to immigration" which is a false label. Most people opposed to the free hand outs are against illegals getting free handouts not legal immigration. There needs to be a serious turn over in the leadership of this country, I hope everyone remembers this crap next election.

 

[CVMA544]

The Napolitano report is especially scary:

Nice, it lists returning veterans as among terrorist risks to the U.S.

and

"In her statement Wednesday, Ms. Napolitano defended the report, which says “rightwing extremism” may include groups opposed to abortion and immigration"

People against illegals getting free hand outs / sucking off the tax tit are usually counted as "rightwing extremists opposed to immigration" which is a false label. Most people opposed to the free hand outs are against illegals getting free handouts not legal immigration. There needs to be a serious turn over in the leadership of this country, I hope everyone remembers this crap next election.

Agreed, Dem and Rep, alot of cleaning needs to be done, unfortunately most people don't pay attention and vote a party cause that what Mom and Dad did, or what (fill in the blank) group likes.

 

[flatlander]

Maybe we should just euthanize all of us who are disabled from military service and save some more money for the current adminstration (your guy) to give to those who won't work, those who aren't here legally, and to spend on more bailouts and stimulus, as it is clear what you and the current adminstration think of us anyway.

You said earlier you girlfriend was in the Navy, I take it then that is the limits of your military experience?

No purple intended.[/QUOTE]

Game/ set/ match


Bob

 

[gunman41mag]

Your guy ? I believe you stated earlier you voted for the current adminstration? (which is more than most people can say about their participation in the process)

Obama Snubs Nation's Heroes, Becomes the First President to Skip Ball Honoring Medal of Honor Recipients in Over 50 Years | Cleveland Leader

Vets are a National Security threat? Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times

Die and get it over with? Jim Towey: The Death Book for Veterans - WSJ.com

Senators slam plan for wounded vets to use private insurance - CNN.com



Maybe we should just euthanize all of us who are disabled from military service and save some more money for the current adminstration (your guy) to give to those who won't work, those who aren't here legally, and to spend on more bailouts and stimulus, as it is clear what you and the current adminstration think of us anyway.

You said earlier you girlfriend was in the Navy, I take it then that is the limits of your military experience?

No purple intended.

Our wounded service men & women are our heroes & our role model for future AMERICANS

 

[SSGSAD]

The family members of those serving have a pretty good idea of the sacrifices being made.

Also, I know this is going to suck, but I'm going to say it anyway, a lot of benefits are paid out with borrowed money.

Which is worse, cutting benefits, or ruining the financial welfare of this country?

Yes, I am fully aware that cuts need to be made in other places as well, and probably first, but the biscuit wheels have fallen off of the gravy train.

Ok, then I am going to say something..... QUIT, giving away the SS, that WE, pay into, to ILLEGALS, QUIT, giving away, food stamps, to ILLEGALS, QUIT, giving away a free education, to ILLEGALS, QUIT giving away free Medical care, to ILLEGALS, and STOP the "anchor babies".... Write YOUR politician, and tell them this ..... 20 million ILLEGALS, collecting, benifits, that NONE of them, has paid into, causes, the system, to go broke .....

 

[DHolder]

Our government needs a great big enama, then a high fiber diet.

Keep the air on for the the troops, they deserve it, weather or not being were they are, or why they are there is right or wrong is a moot point. They are this countries military and they DESERVE the best.

Funding for entitlements and benifits (ie politicians, ilegals etc.) should be looked at, as well as other ways to balance the budget. Lets not do it at the cost to our troops.

THANK YOU! to all who served, no matter what branch, or what your motive was.