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Shut off their Air Conditioning for the Military
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Your guy ? I believe you stated earlier you voted for the current adminstration? (which is more than most people can say about their participation in the process)
Obama Snubs Nation's Heroes, Becomes the First President to Skip Ball Honoring Medal of Honor Recipients in Over 50 Years | Cleveland Leader
Vets are a National Security threat? Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times
Die and get it over with? Jim Towey: The Death Book for Veterans - WSJ.com
Senators slam plan for wounded vets to use private insurance - CNN.com
Maybe we should just euthanize all of us who are disabled from military service and save some more money for the current adminstration (your guy) to give to those who won't work, those who aren't here legally, and to spend on more bailouts and stimulus, as it is clear what you and the current adminstration think of us anyway.
You said earlier you girlfriend was in the Navy, I take it then that is the limits of your military experience?
No purple intended.
Nope, I have family members still in. My college roommate joined only to pay for his college. There are a lot more who do it ONLY for that and not all the other things that a lot of you like to think. However, there are still people who join and serve for the honor but it is not nearly the amount that a lot of you like to think it is. Go to a college campus and see how many people only joined to get teh GI bill. The truth of it is that people in a large amount don't look at it the same as they did before.
The conflicts in the middle east now are all about oil and quit being about defending America years ago. If the leaders in both the Bush and Obama administration wanted to win a "war" then they could have long ago. Why fight a conflict when you have no desire to have a clear cut victory? The last time our country was truly at war was in WWII and the whole country knew what they were fighting for. Today, there are a hundred reasons but nobody is exactly sure what they are.
If it were up to me then all the troops would be home already and a lot of these overseas bases would be consolidated. Why have the most powerful navy ever created if you won't use it? There could be trillions of dollars saved just by ending the ridiculous fighting that goes on now and defend the home land rather then everyone else.
You are spot on!!
Our government needs a great big enama, then a high fiber diet.
Keep the air on for the the troops, they deserve it, weather or not being were they are, or why they are there is right or wrong is a moot point. They are this countries military and they DESERVE the best.
Funding for entitlements and benifits (ie politicians, ilegals etc.) should be looked at, as well as other ways to balance the budget. Lets not do it at the cost to our troops.
THANK YOU! to all who served, no matter what branch, or what your motive was.
Again spot on! I am not wanting to attack the military but rather get rid of all the federal spending. We are sinking faster then the Titanic and only drastic cuts can save us. If you aren't providing a service then you don't get payed. That should apply to defense contractors, oil companies, sub contractors, and anyone else the government has a contract with. Why pay Boeing x amount of millions or Halliburton for contracts they don't fulfill to all of the levels we specify? Finally, a lot of the problems we have is the federal government being way to big and not letting states handle things on the state level but rather being blackmailed by the feds to take away tax money if they don't follow in step.
This forum is kinda like talk radio ... does the MC really believe everything that he says .. and if he doesn’t . In what vein is it an untruth / lie .
To what end does he say it ? Conversation - entertainment - ego thought provocation - education on his own behalf from the respondents ?
Of course I have to own up to / stand behind what I say as a matter of principal .
Thanks
Duncan
Catching up ... To be fair I need to answer this question ...
" Never and no where . "
I did offer let them have a swamp cooler ...
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Catching up ... To be fair I need to answer this question ...
" Never and no where . "
I did offer let them have a swamp cooler ...
I have never agreed with the standard that says nobody's allowed an opinion unless they've done this or that. The most basic principles of liberty say everybody gets to have an opinion, whether it's good or bad, educated or not, well-founded or not, well-considered or not. One might weight the value of someone's opinion based on their experiences, but to outright invalidate their right to have one is practicing a form of tyranny, IMO.
I've never served, but I happen to think that if I were in the desert, some air conditioning whenever possible would be just dandy. I know that in the 100+ degree Oklahoma summers I tend to get real sad when my AC goes out. That said, folks lived here (and worked grueling hours farming and whatnot) long before AC was available, so I also know it's survivable if not exactly pleasant.
As a matter of principle, I think it's probably a good idea to provide our fighting forces with as many comforts of home as is possible in a given theater of war, so I'm on the side of letting them have AC in the Middle East. But also as a matter of principle, I think they should be getting the hell out of the Middle East. Like I said earlier, re-deploy them in Arizona and New Mexico. We can probably scrounge up enough extension cords at Home Depot to run the AC from Tucson, and then it won't be as much of an issue.
Sorry .. it does ... IN WW2 yes there were a lot of volunteers .
They knew they would be drafted and WANTED to go .
If we had the draft now ... a bunch would NOT want to go and the attitude of the survivors would be the same as what finally happened in Viet Nam .
Nixon or Kissinger correctly predicted . when the caskets come home to rural America the sentiment for the war will change ... why ? Because more people know Johnny in small town USA than they do Big Tony from Hell's Kitchen .
Thanks
Duncan
When I see every Illegal out of this country stripped of everything they have taken from this country, when I see the politicians take huge hits in pay and compensation, when I see government contractors take huge hits, then and only then would it be right to even start looking at the military. I say this becuase of all those aforementioned only the military has earned its way the rest are leeches.
That is what is great about America...you can have your opinion and I can have mine
If we could get the others mentioned in line first then the military items wouldn't be much of an issue to most people. However, I still think there is a LOT of wasteful spending but if it takes a blanket cut for all federal entities then I am for it to get the ball rolling
badwolf.usmc
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There was a massive cultural shift from the 40's to the 60's and there are many reasons why Vietnam happened the way it did, not to mention that the goals of the war were completely different. People didn't care if volunteers or draftees were coming back in body bags, they cared that the bodies were coming back in the first place. It wasn't until the war had lasted over 4 years, the classic American limit for any war, that anti-war feelings started to rise to the point where massive protests were taking place. The war had lasted for over 8 years before the classic "spit on returning service members" & "vets ashamed of their service" time period started to happen, and that lasted at most two years.
Also, it wasn't rural/small town America that started and feed the anti-war movement, it was the coasts, cities & colleges around the country that did that. Also, the anti-war movement feed off the civil rights movement from the previous decade.
Why do you think there is no serious anti-war movement right now? Also, the whole idea that people are sheep, or any variation on that theme, is just a cop out. Why isn't there a serious anti-war movement right now?
I hate the fact that people acted the way they did when soldiers came home from Vietnam. It wasn't the soldiers fault that they were sent there. Also, it was a really bad time in America where people were already "pissed at the man in charge" and they took it out on what they thought was the authority of the government. There is nothing wrong with someone wanting to protest but when you start attacking troops and even worse sending aid to the people they are fighting then that is wrong.
The reason there is no real anti-war movement here is a lot of people just don't care. There isn't the love for America that there was 40 years ago. A lot of our culture is perfectly happy as long as their check comes in the mail and could care less what happens as long as the check keeps coming. Also, the fact that there isn't anywhere near the same amount of dead soldiers coming back and the lack of a draft is a huge reason. The people who are over there now signed up for whatever reason and weren't forced against their will as they were in Vietnam. If they were to declare a draft for a hugely unpopular conflict like the middle east then you would see massive protests again
badwolf.usmc
Sharpshooter
The reason there is no real anti-war movement here is a lot of people just don't care. There isn't the love for America that there was 40 years ago. A lot of our culture is perfectly happy as long as their check comes in the mail and could care less what happens as long as the check keeps coming. Also, the fact that there isn't anywhere near the same amount of dead soldiers coming back and the lack of a draft is a huge reason. The people who are over there now signed up for whatever reason and weren't forced against their will as they were in Vietnam. If they were to declare a draft for a hugely unpopular conflict like the middle east then you would see massive protests again
People would protest because there was a draft, not because they were going to war. Around 2/3 of the people who went to Vietnam were volunteers not draftees.
During the 50s & 60s there was a massive amount of social strife that feed into the anti-war movement, and that is one of the main reasons why we don't have a major anti-war movement right now. The 80s & 90s didn't experience any major political movements that the anti-war crowd could tap into to build a new anti-war movement.
There's a myth out there about WWII that needs to be set straight. More people were drafted than volunteered for WWII, whereas more people volunteered for Vietnam than were drafted.
Also, I'd like to know what difference personal motivation makes in someone's actions. If I provide a service to you, it might be because I want to help you, it might be because I want to get rich, it might be because I want to impress some girl and get laid. At the end of the day, does it make one difference to you WHY I provided you that service? We worry too much about motivation and not enough about the fruits that motivation produces.
Lots of evil has been done for the best of reasons and lots of good has been done for the worst of reasons. I'm not a priest, I don't care what a person's internal motivation is about, it doesn't change the value of their service one way or another.
So how much oil have we gotten out of Afghanistan and Iraq?
I am not fully up to speed on whats actually happening on the ground in the Stan, but I can agree about consolidation or removal of some if not most overseas bases, and a quick exit from Iraq as long as the Iraqi's can stand on their own, or since the UN wants a hand in everything maybe they can do it,.......without our help or funding.
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A 100 degree, please if it were only that cool!
I left Dharan S.A. in late May of 1991, I remember it was 10:20 am and only 138 degrees.
While in Iraq 05-06 Baghdad was not bad the days I was there only 100 or so but my unit moved south to Al Najaf where we ran missions from Feb to July where it usually was 130-140 degrees, then add the armored HMMV temps could reach 150ish inside the vehicle, and of course when on foot it was miserable. It was so hot inside the vehicle you could not touch any metal surface without gloves or risk a very painful experience.
Weapons could not be left or stored anywhere near the transmission hump(touching this could get you a blister) as we were afraid of a cook off.
We moved to Diwaniyah and ran missions in July and it was about the same.
Our mission days usually were in the cities where we didn't get alot of air moving in or around the vehicle.
Of the 252 mission days (outside the wire) my squad had NO heat injuries. I attribute alot of that to the A/C used to recover between missions. While I beat the guys to boredom with "drink water, drink gatorade" all the time we were out. The core tempatures have a chance to come down in the time spent sleeping in the A/C.
A short mission day was 8hrs off the FOB, don't forget 2hrs pre planning and loading, etc, and about 2-4hrs re-fuel, maint, preventative maint, cleaning crew served weapons, individual weapons, and vehicle afterwards.
Average days were 10-12hrs off the FOB, and as my squad was a Command Element we made many trips from Najaf or Diwaniyah to Baghdad with re-fuel at FOB Kalsu. These days depending on enemy activity could be up to 12hrs and if we ran across an IED longer waiting on EOD.
With the amount of body armor which was wrapped around our bodies, our chest, shoulders, sides all were covered and had no air circulation, and the poor gunners also had to wear lower armor also (like pants)
SO, I would say A/C has been responsible for the prevention of many heat injuries, with the type of armored vehicles and body armor our military uses today that previous generations didn't have.
A/C has saved a lot of soldiers IMHO. The use of A/C, armored vehicles and body armor has reduced the number deaths from enviromental and enemy causes.
I think it is a wise investment for sustained operations in the enviroment found in the Middle East.
AND as for the idea of using them on the border....SPOT ON, and I will help scrounge up extension cords for the A/C in NM and AZ.
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For what its worth, my Dad told me he went down to volunteer (WWII)(He was a railroad machinst and had gotten a notice from the govt as he was a railroad employee and a skilled tradesman he was exempt from the draft) and the processing folks said everybody was draftee that day, it was easier paperwork I guess from his account he had to come back the next day to volunteer.
Side note, he got a draft notice a year later because he was no longer employed by the railroad, and he was already in Europe at that time.
Ain't guberment wunderful?
:You and I disagree on the history of the public in the Viet Nam era .. that's fine ...
THanks
Duncan
For what its worth, my Dad told me he went down to volunteer (WWII)(He was a railroad machinst and had gotten a notice from the govt as he was a railroad employee and a skilled tradesman he was exempt from the draft) and the processing folks said everybody was draftee that day, it was easier paperwork I guess from his account he had to come back the next day to volunteer.
Side note, he got a draft notice a year later because he was no longer employed by the railroad, and he was already in Europe at that time.
Ain't guberment wunderful?
Ha Ha not to side track but when I was a Cpl in the USMC I got a letter from the government addressed to my military address saying I was in trouble for not registering for the draft (I joined when I was 17). Gave the letter to my platoon Sgt when he stopped laughing he tore it up and said not to worry, if they came for me the platoon would protect me.
I also have a framed copy of one of my LES that states as a buck Sgt I had accumulated 72 years sea duty.
The government would never screw up....
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