CC question

[Bill of Rights]

I have never sold a gun, but those I have bought without a 4473, I have a receipt for cash so that none can say I stole them. This protects the seller, too, because if by some chanceI was to commit some crime (Fat chance of THAT!) he would have a record that the gun was no longer his.

Mandatory police transfers just tell them where to go to confiscate, when BHO suspends the Constitution and orders all guns confiscated. Yeah, he said he wouldn't... You willing to bet on that? I'm not.

Blessings,
B

 

[Jack Ryan]

The clerk that shot and killed the robber in the store the other day used a gun that was owned by the owner of the store and they didn't file any charges in that case, I don't know if the clerk even had a CC permit.

When the poor "greiving" relatives get back from the funeral they will be looking for any one they can associate with anything from ammo to guns to owner of the premis to sue.

I wouldn't want my name associated with that gun in any way regardless of the law.

 

[Dogman]

OK, was thinking about this the other day,
How much of a differance does it make it my carry gun is registered in my name.
I mean legal ramifications if for some reason I had to use it to defend myself or someone else.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but whose gun would you want to use if you had to defend yourself or someone else?
If you have to use a gun to defend yourself it won't matter if it is your gun or someone else let you borrow it, just make sure your right in using deadly force. JMHO

 

[AllenM]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but whose gun would you want to use if you had to defend yourself or someone else?
If you have to use a gun to defend yourself it won't matter if it is your gun or someone else let you borrow it, just make sure your right in using deadly force. JMHO

No, I wasn't refering to a borrowed gun. I was asking about one that I had purchased or traded for from a private party.

I didn't know if there was a differance between that or one that I had filled out a form 4473 at the point of purchase

 

[Dogman]

No, I wasn't refering to a borrowed gun. I was asking about one that I had purchased or traded for from a private party.

I didn't know if there was a differance between that or one that I had filled out a form 4473 at the point of purchase

I see.

 

[concrete dog]

cc questions

i used to sell guns ( pistols,shot guns,rifles) to private persons all the leos and gun stores told me was to get bill of sale.they said there is no paper work for transfer,unless it has changed since thencouple years ago

 

[NateIU10]

i used to sell guns ( pistols,shot guns,rifles) to private persons all the leos and gun stores told me was to get bill of sale.they said there is no paper work for transfer,unless it has changed since thencouple years ago

There's no requirement for a bill of sale.

 

[concrete dog]

it was just for my safety

 

[Michiana]

Bill of sale protects both parties

i used to sell guns ( pistols,shot guns,rifles) to private persons all the leos and gun stores told me was to get bill of sale.they said there is no paper work for transfer,unless it has changed since thencouple years ago

When I sell or trade my privately owned (more than one year in my possession) firearm to an individual I give them a receipt with both our names, serial number and gun information and price. In trade situations both guns are listed. I also want to see their Indiana drivers license as proof of residencey and offer proof I am also a resident of Indiana.

This protects both parties; I will not deal with any person not willing to identify themselves for my own liability protection. Anyone who doesn't do this is asking for trouble.

 

[NateIU10]

Anyone who doesn't do this is asking for trouble.

Your opinion is your opinion...

 

[Rookie]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but whose gun would you want to use if you had to defend yourself or someone else?

Someone else's - that way if it gets confiscated, you haven't lost yours.

 

[Michiana]

My opinion is based upon common sense

Your opinion is your opinion...

Nate, we are not trading or selling baseball cards, we are dealing in dangerous weapons that might be used in the future by others to commit a crime. Indiana is known as a easy place for gangs in Illinois and other states to get firearms so why would anyone not want to protect themself as much as possible?

All this "all my guns fell in the lake" stuff sounds cute but I would guess these people would be peeing their pants if BATF or FBI agents come knocking at their door doing a trace on a gun they once owned that was used to kill someone. Guns are no joking matter with this person and should not be with any other member of this forum.

 

[4sarge]

it was just for my safety

Do you feel safer, that must be a Great feeling As a 30+ year LEO, former FFL holder, it is Not required under Indiana Law or Federal Statute. If I buy from a FFL all required paperwork will be complied with. If you are a private citizen then paperwork isn't required and that is my prerequisite for a sale between private parties.

Many dangerous things are sold w/o paperwork; chainsaws, knives, lawn mowers, off road mc's, 4X4's, OTC medications, etc.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Do you feel safer, that must be a Great feeling As a 30+ year LEO, former FFL holder, it is Not required under Indiana Law or Federal Statute. If I buy from a FFL all required paperwork will be complied with. If you are a private citizen then paperwork isn't required and that is my prerequisite for a sale between private parties.

Many dangerous things are sold w/o paperwork; chainsaws, knives, lawn mowers, off road mc's, 4X4's, OTC medications, etc.

Hold on a second, Sarge... I agree with you about things sold without paperwork-Hell, I've used the chainsaw and the knife example myself, but if I understand you, you're saying your prerequisite for a private party sale is "no paperwork".
Does this include verification of residency? that is, do you ensure that the person from/to whom you are buying/selling is an Indiana resident? If not, what assurance have you that you have not just violated the law, either buying across state lines or selling in the same fashion?

Or are you saying you do that but do not exchange bills of sale listing this information? No, there are no legal requirements for sale of a firearm, but that doesn't mean that having proof of when you disposed of something isn't a good idea to CYA.



Blessings,
Bill

 

[4sarge]

Hold on a second, Sarge... I agree with you about things sold without paperwork-Hell, I've used the chainsaw and the knife example myself, but if I understand you, you're saying your prerequisite for a private party sale is "no paperwork".
Does this include verification of residency? that is, do you ensure that the person from/to whom you are buying/selling is an Indiana resident? If not, what assurance have you that you have not just violated the law, either buying across state lines or selling in the same fashion?

Or are you saying you do that but do not exchange bills of sale listing this information? No, there are no legal requirements for sale of a firearm, but that doesn't mean that having proof of when you disposed of something isn't a good idea to CYA.



Blessings,
Bill

Or are you saying you do that but do not exchange bills of sale listing this information? Correct

 

[GetA2J]

I have only sold or traded a couple of times and the only paperwork that I have felt necessary is an Indiana LTCH. That way I am assured to the best of my feeble ability that I am dealing with someone who has submitted to the required background checks and staying out of trouble. It also gives me a little satisfaction that I have not contributed to gang violence by selling a firearm to a felon.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I agree with GetA2J, the LTCH would be better as a way to verify you're not selling to a prohibited person, but the LTCH has no proof on it that the person holding it is the person to whom it was issued i.e. a photo, which then necessitates seeing the DL also. Following that line of thinking, soon, you're asking for more info than a FFL does, and that's counterproductive at best.
As the buyer of a private party sale handgun, I think I'm covering my :moon: by having a bill of sale-this protects me from an unscrupulous seller who could easily claim his gun was stolen, give me a record, and have him come out with both my money and my (his former) gun, while as the seller, I then have proof of when I sold it, so when someone comes pounding on my door, they don't just have to take my word for the fact that that gun isn't mine anymore.

To each his own, I guess. Just my

Blessings,
B

 

[4sarge]

Or are you saying you do that but do not exchange bills of sale listing this information? Correct

I do not believe that I've sold a firearm since I turned in my FFL 15+ years ago and haven't had a reason to check residency for a sale and if I buy from someone other than an FFL, it's from someone that I know.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I do not believe that I've sold a firearm since I turned in my FFL 15+ years ago and haven't had a reason to check residency for a sale and if I buy from someone other than an FFL, it's from someone that I know.

That makes a difference, too. CYA is the main thing I was getting at. Knowing the person (and presumably, trusting them) goes far beyond a bill of sale. MY grandfather's oft-quoted phrase was "Let your word be your bond." and this, I think, applies. Good for you, Sarge. I'd rep you but my bucket's empty for a while.

Blessings,
B

 

[bobn911]

When ever I sold a rifle or a shotgun, I always took a peice of paper and filled it out with the buyers name, make and model of weapon and the serial number. Then we both signed it and I kept in a safe place. To answer the question about using some one elses firearm, My permit from Michigan allows me to use anyones firearm, even if registered to some one else and they don't have to be present. Later, Bob