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Why is the Govt. stockpiling guns and ammo--interesting article.
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^^^^apparently the citizens of the US have more fire power than the Iraqi army...???^^^
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That is only relevant if the DHS is planning on starting a fight with us.
Let me take a step back- where is the evidence they are "stockpiling" Buying and stockpiling are not the same thing.
Next, law enforcement can use hollow points the same as we can.
How much ammo are we talking about? (and one guy's claim of "billions" ain't evidence) How many federal law enforcement officers and agents are there? How many rounds per person is that?
This is truly stunning. No government, anywhere has ever overbought ammunition. On a completely unrelated note, anyone know where I can find surplus 7.62x54r ?
Next, law enforcement can use hollow points the same as we can.
How much ammo are we talking about? (and one guy's claim of "billions" ain't evidence) How many federal law enforcement officers and agents are there? How many rounds per person is that?
This is truly stunning. No government, anywhere has ever overbought ammunition. On a completely unrelated note, anyone know where I can find surplus 7.62x54r ?
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^^^you caught my point^^^.
According to Wikipedia the DHs has "more than 200,000 employees". The DHS site says it has 199,492. Now many of those are paper pushers, administrative assistants, maintenance, drivers, whatever--point is probably somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 are office and building workers--not field agents.
So why does each DHS agent need somewhere between 2000 and 4000 rounds of HP ammo? Are the secretaries packing heat at the desk? The janitor carrying?
And we're only told that it is all .40 cal. We really don't know what it is.
As to the Social Security agents buying all that ammo--there are 295 agents that made 589 arrests last year--or about 1.9 arrests per agent.
Social Security Administration Requests 174,000 Bullets
Of most of the arrests I have seen reported on the internet, the FBI was involved and provided security. So considering the average SSI agent only makes two arrests a year I guess that means a lot of down time at the range? For what?
So why does each DHS agent need somewhere between 2000 and 4000 rounds of HP ammo? Are the secretaries packing heat at the desk? The janitor carrying?
And we're only told that it is all .40 cal. We really don't know what it is.
As to the Social Security agents buying all that ammo--there are 295 agents that made 589 arrests last year--or about 1.9 arrests per agent.
Social Security Administration Requests 174,000 Bullets
Of most of the arrests I have seen reported on the internet, the FBI was involved and provided security. So considering the average SSI agent only makes two arrests a year I guess that means a lot of down time at the range? For what?
Go to www.fbo.gov. This is where the government puts out is solicitations for procurements. You can look up their solicitations for ammunition. ( I work procurement for a living) The solicitations are out there.
Ditto - isn't HP bullets banned?
Believe it or not, not everyone in the (incredibly massive) DHS is a leftist fascist.
Seriously people, this stupid topic comes up about every month. Either:
A) Do some searching right here on INGO.
B) Do the math and realize this is no big deal.
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C) Keep fantasizing about JBT's and black helicopter and keep on posting and get stereotyped as "one of those tinfoil cap guys".
Doing the math is good idea. Let's see 174000 rounds and 295 agents = about 590 rounds each. Last I knew each agent was required to practice and certify with their firearm monthly requiring about 50 rounds minimum. 12 months x 50 rounds = 600 rounds required to maintain qualification. Where is the stockpiling?? This is old stuff - it came up last year.
Exactly. Also as to the use of hollow points, law enforcement use them all the time and DHS has many law enforcement arms. The military can even use hollow points when working domestic security such as guarding bases and posts and military police operations.
Old news....and not really news.
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” Five companies, thus far, have communicated their intention not to sell to any police or government agencies in New York State.Guns Save Life is joining with Grass Roots North Carolina in calling for all American gun owners to pressure Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson and Glock to shut off sales to government agencies in New York State.”
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Honestly, our civilian munitions probably put the Iraqi army's munitions to shame.
A few months ago I was thinking this was pretty much hype. But they just keep buying huge quantities. They currently have enough ammo to fire 4-5million rounds a month (what the military was using at the peak of the war on everybody) for 30yrs. I guess, if this is innocent we ought to at least be asking why they need so much? and why are they spending tax dollars on that while downsizing the military and borrowing more money? If it isn't "innocent" then I believe we are in for interesting times.
Old coach, They have bought millions of rounds not 174,000. Gotta keep adding them up, can't count just a single purchase. I think we need some of that Open and Transparent the CiC promised us a few years ago. Mr. Obama, please put our minds at ease and tell us where this ammo is and what its for.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ent-homeland-security-buying-so-many-bullets/
well this is their reasoning...
Old coach, They have bought millions of rounds not 174,000. Gotta keep adding them up, can't count just a single purchase. I think we need some of that Open and Transparent the CiC promised us a few years ago. Mr. Obama, please put our minds at ease and tell us where this ammo is and what its for.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ent-homeland-security-buying-so-many-bullets/
well this is their reasoning...
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Homeland Security and its cache of bullets - Yahoo! News
"The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises."
"The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them — roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States — for law enforcement agents in training and on duty."
So. 1.6 billion divided by 15 million rounds used per year = 106 years.
Umm...
"The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises."
"The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them — roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States — for law enforcement agents in training and on duty."
So. 1.6 billion divided by 15 million rounds used per year = 106 years.
Umm...
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Go to www.fbo.gov. This is where the government puts out is solicitations for procurements. You can look up their solicitations for ammunition. ( I work procurement for a living) The solicitations are out there.
And most of the solicitations are for "up to" the stated number. They can buy under that solicitation up to an amount, but it doesn't mean that the full stated amount was purchased.
During the 80's our Air Force recruits were using .22 conversion kits for basic training and if they were lucky they got to use one magazine of 5.56 after qualifications. Fiscally responsible until they were deployed to areas around the world and country where people started running barricades and attacking bases.
Yes we need to watch out for hidden agendas and other efforts to subvert our due process but please stop labelling each other as fools or trolls if we don't agree with each other. Our country is still strong even with the happy campers trying to get rid of those scary guns. Pink is optional because I do believe that there are people in high places are trying to restrict access to the only guns that are being used by unsupervised children in their delusions of grandeur and hunt for 15minutes of fame. Perhaps if we focused on the over indulged and out of control children some people are raising there wouldn't be this knee jerk reaction that does nothing but what the anti gun crowd has wanted all along.
These weren't indigent or insurgents committing these crimes yet those who wish to disarm America for profit will always find the ways to spin the stories to their advantage.
Even the UN proposed gun bans have little to do with safety and more with who controls the guns and the arms deals necessary for the real profits to remain in the hands of European arms manufacturers while insuring the domestic "harmony" while the leaders drive their one world policies into our hearts and minds.
Don't be a tool or a fool by doing anything that helps their agendas. Keep teaching our loved ones right and wrong. Solve the problems before they become too great and stop allowing angry or scared people to become the collective voice of America.
Words have meaning and when stitched together into strings of thought they have much more meaning than the rants that become sound bites.
Try taking a controlled rational response to what happens in our country instead of playing into the hands of these over privileged few that have spent generations being allowed to control the direction of a nation.
Crooks have children that go on to become leaders while the rest of us are being pitted against each other to distract us from what is really happening to our country. If we cannot calmly discuss this among ourselves with respect, how can we ever hope to convince the people who are terrified of guns in all but the hands of a government agent or solider?
Yes we need to watch out for hidden agendas and other efforts to subvert our due process but please stop labelling each other as fools or trolls if we don't agree with each other. Our country is still strong even with the happy campers trying to get rid of those scary guns. Pink is optional because I do believe that there are people in high places are trying to restrict access to the only guns that are being used by unsupervised children in their delusions of grandeur and hunt for 15minutes of fame. Perhaps if we focused on the over indulged and out of control children some people are raising there wouldn't be this knee jerk reaction that does nothing but what the anti gun crowd has wanted all along.
These weren't indigent or insurgents committing these crimes yet those who wish to disarm America for profit will always find the ways to spin the stories to their advantage.
Even the UN proposed gun bans have little to do with safety and more with who controls the guns and the arms deals necessary for the real profits to remain in the hands of European arms manufacturers while insuring the domestic "harmony" while the leaders drive their one world policies into our hearts and minds.
Don't be a tool or a fool by doing anything that helps their agendas. Keep teaching our loved ones right and wrong. Solve the problems before they become too great and stop allowing angry or scared people to become the collective voice of America.
Words have meaning and when stitched together into strings of thought they have much more meaning than the rants that become sound bites.
Try taking a controlled rational response to what happens in our country instead of playing into the hands of these over privileged few that have spent generations being allowed to control the direction of a nation.
Crooks have children that go on to become leaders while the rest of us are being pitted against each other to distract us from what is really happening to our country. If we cannot calmly discuss this among ourselves with respect, how can we ever hope to convince the people who are terrified of guns in all but the hands of a government agent or solider?
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