Why does Ukraine matter?

[Jaybird1980]

I think someone slipped some acid in my beer.

Got another? It has to be better than this.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Got another? It has to be better than this.

 

[KG1]

Not saying that. He is distrustful of what the MSM is feeding us. As is most all of INGO when it comes to almost anything. It does seem like some are buying into the "official" story that is being put out by that same MSM and TPTB regarding this particular issue. If the subject was Covid and he was saying the same things about them, he'd be getting a clap on the back and glad hands all around.

And I don't necessarily disagree with that. In my case I was simply trying to have a civil discussion on my part, and I was basically being called out as a lacky for neo cons and the MSM.

I don't find it to be out of the realm of possibility that Putin wants the Ukraine to be in lockstep with Russian geopolitical policy by attempting to accomplish it thru the use of military force and the majority of Ukraine is rejecting Putin's effort which is on display right now.

 

[KG1]

You're both just mad that the Bucs beat all comers at the Indiana college level and could beat the Colts, too

Get thee behind me satan.

 

[BugI02]

Not at all. Are you guys even reading the same things I am? I have to wonder. We're certainly interpreting them differently. And WTF? Racist against mother Russia? Where the hell are you getting that?

In a post directed to me, he claimed I attacked him because he revealed he was Russian

I attacked him because he was attempting to function as a propagandist for Putin and Russia

Poor, poor pitiful me should be self explanatory to a fellow musician, unless you don't like Warren Zevon

 

[DoggyDaddy]

And I don't necessarily disagree with that. In my case I was simply trying to have a civil discussion on my part, and I was basically being called out as a lacky for neo cons and the MSM.

I don't find it to be out of the realm of possibility that Putin wants the Ukraine to be in lockstep with Russian geopolitical policy by attempting to accomplish it thru the use of military force and the majority of Ukraine is rejecting Putin's effort which is on display right now.

I get it, but it just seems like INGO (that by and large except for Jetta) has been critical of accepting the MSM narrative about just about anything, has now decided that what we're being fed is gospel. Just seems like the script has been flipped when it comes to the Russia/Ukraine thing.

 

[oze]

In a post directed to me, he claimed I attacked him because he revealed he was Russian

I attacked him because he was attempting to function as a propagandist for Putin and Russia

Poor, poor pitiful me should be self explanatory to a fellow musician, unless you don't like Warren Zevon

+1 for the Warren Zevon reference.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

In a post directed to me, he claimed I attacked him because he revealed he was Russian

I attacked him because he was attempting to function as a propagandist for Putin and Russia

Poor, poor pitiful me should be self explanatory to a fellow musician, unless you don't like Warren Zevon

I love Warren Zevon, but I haven't seen him (idkfa) being a propagandist for Putin at all. He's been critical of Putin, just as he's been critical of Zelensky(?). I think he's been saying that the whole thing has bad guys on both sides, which is most likely true. Personally I value his input as a Russian citizen on Russian things, just as I value Sylvain's input on French/EU things.

 

[oze]

I get it, but it just seems like INGO (that by and large except for Jetta) has been critical of accepting the MSM narrative about just about anything, has now decided that what we're being fed is gospel. Just seems like the script has been flipped when it comes to the Russia/Ukraine thing.

It seems to me that most of the cool stuff (dead Roosky invaders, destroyed convoys, videos of a motorist telling a Roosky tanker to "Go **** himself", etc.) have come from sources that are about as far removed from the mainstream media as can be.

 

[KG1]

I love Warren Zevon, but I haven't seen him (idkfa) being a propagandist for Putin at all. He's been critical of Putin, just as he's been critical of Zelensky(?). I think he's been saying that the whole thing has bad guys on both sides, which is most likely true. Personally I value his input as a Russian citizen on Russian things, just as I value Sylvain's input on French/EU things.

That reminds me. I need to come up with input that has value. Kinda like the 50 post rule.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

All his talking points are straight from Trump central.

Dude. Holy ****. You’ve got it bad.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

And just in case anyone wondered... My garage... not a commie flag anywhere in sight.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

And just in case anyone wondered... My garage... not a commie flag anywhere in sight.

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Except the one with 4 wheels in the center.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Except the one with 4 wheels in the center.

Nope, it's South Korean!

 

[KG1]

And just in case anyone wondered... My garage... not a commie flag anywhere in sight.

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Oh, and I expect we should take your word for it At least you can fit a car in your garage. I'll give you that. Wish I could say the same.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Oh, and I expect we should take your word for it At least you can fit a car in your garage. I'll give you that. Wish I could say the same.

Damnit, you beat me to it.

 

[KG1]

Damnit, you beat me to it.

My garage looks like they could've filmed Sandford and Son in there. Who knows. I might even have a commie flag in there. I've got pretty much everything else.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Oh, and I expect we should take your word for it At least you can fit a car in your garage. I'll give you that. Wish I could say the same.

Just barely, as you can see!

 

[KG1]

My garage looks like they could've filmed Sandford and Son in there. Who knows. I might even have a commie flag in there. I've got pretty much everything else.

Just in case anyone was wondering, I was kidding about the commie flag. The rest not so much. I've got some stuff in there that I don't remember what it was for or why I needed it.

 

[1903 Perfection]

You don`t read much, do ya?

No. It's an authoritarian oligarchy with no particular ideology.

Well, communism is certainly a type of an oligarchy...