Why does Islam tolerate and even befriend China?

[IndyDave1776]

The United States has a long history of dealing with Islamic terrorism extending back to the time of the Barbary Pirates. In that case, a favorite ending for the crews of captured ships was to run them through with hooks and hang them over the city walls.

In more recent memory, we have had airplanes and cruise ships hijacked with passengers executed. We have had random persons kidnapped and held hostage for years. We have had buildings full of Americans or other westerners blown up. We had this come to a climax with 9/11.

The only apparent motive is that we do not conform to their worldview. We do not oppress, imprison, or exterminate Moslems. We allow freedom to practice any religion freely. Still, we are hated and attacked.

Alternately, communist China actively persecuted Moslems. They are denied the most basic of freedoms. They are herded into concentration camps. They are tortured. They are exterminated. We have been a consistent voice of condemnation of such atrocities, yet we receive far more hate than the ChiComs who even have Islamic regimes partnering with them (Iran and Pakistan immediately come to mind).

Why do we not see at least as much hostility (and terrorism) directed at a regime that actively persecutes Moslems?

 

[Cameramonkey]

Not to nitpick, but why use the outdated spelling for Muslim? Yes, they have been used interchangeably, but most stopped using that spelling by the mid 20th century.

Or is it like having a heated discussion with a pretentious prick named William, and you repeatedly call him Billy even though you know better? Just curious if its ignorance or hostility.

Probably freedom is the biggest factor. You cant just waltz into China, do bad things like prepping and training in secret (too many loyalists to keep things secret), and then commit a terrorist attack. Because even if you do, they arent like us. They arent going to knock politely on a suspect's door and ask them pretty please for info. They'll kidnap the suspects, torture them, and generally make the rest of their life hell. (possibly shortening it greatly)

And how do we know they HAVENT done terrorist acts in China? Its not like the Chinese are going to broadcast their weakness across the world and admit they were hurt. If some dude blows up a cafe in the heart of the country, its not that difficult to suppress the info. The only way it gets out is via the underground.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

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[KG1]

It’s a lot easier to take advantage of our freedoms and liberty to carry out plots against us than it is against China.

 

[Magyars]

The chi-cons take our money, either directly from the US government or Large corporations...and turn around and buy commodities and government employees both here and abroad........we think in months or at best years in the futures the chi-coms look ahead decades.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Not to nitpick, but why use the outdated spelling for Muslim? Yes, they have been used interchangeably, but most stopped using that spelling by the mid 20th century.

Or is it like having a heated discussion with a pretentious prick named William, and you repeatedly call him Billy even though you know better? Just curious if its ignorance or hostility.

Probably freedom is the biggest factor. You cant just waltz into China, do bad things like prepping and training in secret (too many loyalists to keep things secret), and then commit a terrorist attack. Because even if you do, they arent like us. They arent going to knock politely on a suspect's door and ask them pretty please for info. They'll kidnap the suspects, torture them, and generally make the rest of your life hell.

And how do we know they HAVENT done terrorist acts in China? Its not like the Chinese are going to broadcast their weakness across the world and admit they were hurt. If some dude blows up a cafe in the heart of the country, its not that difficult to suppress the info. The only way it gets out is via the underground.

Neither ignorance nor hostility. That's how it was commonly spelled in my experience, how it still is commonly used in Britain, and either is equally correct given that translating anything from written Arabic to English is a matter of phonetic sound with no true translation of spelling. This emerged largely post-9/11 as a sort of pre-wokeism or false sophistication about which I really don't care. In the end it is no more than personal disregard for media trendiness which is all this amounts to.

Back to the topic, the first thing terrorists do after a successful attack is claim responsibility to every media outlet on the planet. China can't overcome that.

There have been times in the last few decades, especially during the western combloc implosion, in which China had an illegal immigration problem rivaling our own. There would have been no need for training and assembling materials within China. The same threats we face in that regard would have applied equally even if in the presence of an easier time for an authoritarian state in terms of investigation and enforcement.

Beyond this, with the assistance of state sponsors of terror, there would be many openings for maritime terrorism as well. Even if those state sponsors didn't want their fingerprints on it, consider the subs unemployed Russians built for the drug cartels. No particular fingerprints of any government ad they were custom products which could be armed as easily as set up for cargo transportation.

What about launching some of those damn rockets they use on Israel from ships/boats? Unlike Israel, China would take landing a hit or two as a sufficient humiliation to make it worthwhile.

 

[phylodog]

The enemy of my enemy, is my friend

 

[Expat]

Because we support Israel and harbor the Jews.

 

[phylodog]

We are as weak as we have ever been as a nation. I fully expect Russia, China & the ME to join forces against us at some point. I don't know when they'll be satisfied that the tenderizer has done it's job and move in to split up the spoils but I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen in my lifetime.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Because we support Israel and harbor the Jews.

That would at least be consistent so far as hating Jews more than they care for their own, with the Palestinians standing as textbook case examples.

 

[Ark]

That'll all change on the first day that ChiCom bombs start falling on a Muslim country. Just a matter of time.

 

[IndyDave1776]

That'll all change on the first day that ChiCom bombs start falling on a Muslim country. Just a matter of time.

I just find it interesting that they apparently don't give 3/16 of a damn about the Moslems thd Chinese are torturing and killing.

 

[NKBJ]

We are as weak as we have ever been as a nation. I fully expect Russia, China & the ME to join forces against us at some point. I don't know when they'll be satisfied that the tenderizer has done it's job and move in to split up the spoils but I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen in my lifetime.

Spot on.

 

[NKBJ]

By the way and as regards the subject of the thread...

Smart cities, new silk road, location, location, location.

 

[DadSmith]

Islam is compatible with Marxist type governments. Islam is not compatible with our constitution or any country that gives their citizens freedom of speech and religion.

 

[NKBJ]

Some relevant info.

China prepares to move into Afghanistan following America's departure

American troops have finally departed their main military base in Afghanistan. China has been waiting in the wings in order to do a deal with Kabul and extend its 'Belt and Road' program there.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[IndyDave1776]

Islam is compatible with Marxist type governments. Islam is not compatible with our constitution or any country that gives their citizens freedom of speech and religion.

Not sure about this. I have a hard time seeing the compatibility with a regime that exterminates them.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Not sure about this. I have a hard time seeing the compatibility with a regime that exterminates them.

Depends on the sects I think (Sunni vs. Shia for example). I don't know where the Uyghurs fall on that spectrum.

 

[DadSmith]

Not sure about this. I have a hard time seeing the compatibility with a regime that exterminates them.

Saudi Arabia is socialist.

Kuwait socialist

Several other Arabic countries over there are as well. Some call it Arab communism. It's slightly different but basically the same.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Depends on the sects I think (Sunni vs. Shia for example). I don't know where the Uyghurs fall on that spectrum.

Not really. The Sunni/Shia thing wouldn't really make a difference. In reality, the only difference of any significance is the issue of whether or not a caliph must be a genetic defendant of Mohammed. In either case you can find more or less fundamental examples which may or may not tolerate a secular government.

In this case the problem is due is that the CCP will not tolerate the worship of anything other than the state, as demonstrated by the Uyghurs being put in concentration camps and/or killed.