Two bodies found in Carroll County

[KellyinAvon]

I can see how it would become an issue with the possible explicit images.

Test the waters elsewhere before choosing a case like this.

Then again, freedom of speech and all that.

The sketch artists will be on this one.

 

[Indyhd]

Well you know we wouldn't want Keegan to be uncomfortable in front of the cameras or anything. That might be cruel to have him on camera before his sentencing.

 

[dudley0]

Well you know we wouldn't want Keegan to be uncomfortable in front of the cameras or anything. That might be cruel to have him on camera before his sentencing.

I don't give a flying F about how he feels. I was just meaning that pics of the kids could show up and someone identify them. Could be by the outfit, the house surroundings or some other thing.

He is innocent until proven guilty but I thought he did a plea to admit to some of his misgivings?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

'Incriminating' statements, trial date set during Richard Allen's Delphi murders case hearing​

'Incriminating' statements, trial date set during Richard Allen's Delphi murders case hearing

Allen was arrested last October and charged with the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German, whose bodies were found near the Delphi Monon High Bridge in 2017.

www.wthr.com

 

[manifest destiny]

'Incriminating' statements, trial date set during Richard Allen's Delphi murders case hearing​

'Incriminating' statements, trial date set during Richard Allen's Delphi murders case hearing

Allen was arrested last October and charged with the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German, whose bodies were found near the Delphi Monon High Bridge in 2017.

www.wthr.com

I was reading of this on a different site. It was the first I'd heard of his "incriminating" statements. It's an interesting twist and goes well beyond the lone "magic bullet". His defense says he's made contradictory statements but that doesn't neccessarily mean the incriminating ones are false and the non-incriminating ones are true, so we'll see eventually.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I was reading of this on a different site. It was the first I'd heard of his "incriminating" statements. It's an interesting twist and goes well beyond the lone "magic bullet". His defense says he's made contradictory statements but that doesn't neccessarily mean the incriminating ones are false and the non-incriminating ones are true, so we'll see eventually.

Yeah, the prosecution was saying he confessed to the murders like 5 times while he's been in prison, but the defense says they were "generic confessions" whatever that means.

The judge didn't entertain the motion to suppress the ballistic information about the unfired round.

 

[injb]

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The judge didn't entertain the motion to suppress the ballistic information about the unfired round.

Has that been decided then? She's not even considering it?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Has that been decided then? She's not even considering it?

That wasn't clear. It just wasn't acted upon today.

 

[manifest destiny]

Yeah, the prosecution was saying he confessed to the murders like 5 times while he's been in prison, but the defense says they were "generic confessions" whatever that means.

The judge didn't entertain the motion to suppress the ballistic information about the unfired round.

Yeah, prosecutors/police aren't above aggrandizing statements and such. But really, would any reasonable, truly innocent person ever give a statement that could be misconstrued as "I did it"?? I don't care how delirious or beaten down I was, if I were innocent there'd be no way my words could be interpreted as a confession. I might sound crazy, I might sound scared, whatever, but I would not sound guilty; nor do I think any reasonable (innocent) person would. I think this could be a real game changer that leads to a plea agreement.

 

[manifest destiny]

Has that been decided then? She's not even considering it?

WXIN article said judge moved that issue to another hearing, date TBD.

 

[injb]

Yeah, prosecutors/police aren't above aggrandizing statements and such. But really, would any reasonable, truly innocent person ever give a statement that could be misconstrued as "I did it"?? I don't care how delirious or beaten down I was, if I were innocent there'd be no way my words could be interpreted as a confession. I might sound crazy, I might sound scared, whatever, but I would not sound guilty; nor do I think any reasonable (innocent) person would. I think this could be a real game changer that leads to a plea agreement.

But being unreasonable isn't a crime. No one should have to prove that they are a reasonable person to avoid conviction (unless that's part of the definition of the crime they're being accused of which isn't the case here).

 

[BigRed]

Yeah, prosecutors/police aren't above aggrandizing statements and such. But really, would any reasonable, truly innocent person ever give a statement that could be misconstrued as "I did it"?? I don't care how delirious or beaten down I was, if I were innocent there'd be no way my words could be interpreted as a confession. I might sound crazy, I might sound scared, whatever, but I would not sound guilty; nor do I think any reasonable (innocent) person would. I think this could be a real game changer that leads to a plea agreement.

 

[Hawkeye]

Yeah, prosecutors/police aren't above aggrandizing statements and such. But really, would any reasonable, truly innocent person ever give a statement that could be misconstrued as "I did it"?? I don't care how delirious or beaten down I was, if I were innocent there'd be no way my words could be interpreted as a confession. I might sound crazy, I might sound scared, whatever, but I would not sound guilty; nor do I think any reasonable (innocent) person would. I think this could be a real game changer that leads to a plea agreement.

A lot of people do.

 

[KLB]

Yeah, prosecutors/police aren't above aggrandizing statements and such. But really, would any reasonable, truly innocent person ever give a statement that could be misconstrued as "I did it"?? I don't care how delirious or beaten down I was, if I were innocent there'd be no way my words could be interpreted as a confession. I might sound crazy, I might sound scared, whatever, but I would not sound guilty; nor do I think any reasonable (innocent) person would. I think this could be a real game changer that leads to a plea agreement.

You would be very wrong. A lot of people have confessed to crimes they didn't commit, both from physical torture and mental.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Yeah, prosecutors/police aren't above aggrandizing statements and such. But really, would any reasonable, truly innocent person ever give a statement that could be misconstrued as "I did it"?? I don't care how delirious or beaten down I was, if I were innocent there'd be no way my words could be interpreted as a confession. I might sound crazy, I might sound scared, whatever, but I would not sound guilty; nor do I think any reasonable (innocent) person would. I think this could be a real game changer that leads to a plea agreement.

No disrespect meant, but that's one of those situations that you might think you know, but you really might not know until you're in it. False confessions happen.

Edit: Scooped by KLB

 

[DragonGunner]

Wow, no trial until 2024? Been in jail since Oct 2022. Is there that many trials backed up????

 

[Mounty09]

This was my first thought when reading that post.

 

[KellyinAvon]

The defense is focusing on the forensics around the live round. (Question for our INGO Lawyer-types: ) If that gets thrown out, does the prosecution's case take a severe hit?

 

[injb]

The defense is focusing on the forensics around the live round. (Question for our INGO Lawyer-types: ) If that gets thrown out, does the prosecution's case take a severe hit?

Definitely but I don't think it would necessarily kill it. There's a circumstantial case too which I thought was pretty compelling if the witnesses are to be believed. And now with these alleged confessions too, I think it's going to be tough for them to kill the case.

I don't know what was said or to who, but I thin,k it's pretty significant that the defence introduced these statements and blamed it on deteriorating mental health. [1]. Now the hosts of that podcast seem to think it was a good move by them to get out in front of it. But clearly if the statements were vague and ambiguous, then they could have taken the position that the statements weren't incriminating.

So basically even the defence agrees that the statements look bad, if they don't amount to an outright confession. Is that a gamble for them? Doesn't this mean that now they have to get them suppressed? If they fail then they're going to have to do a 180 and play down the significance of the statements in the trial, but everyone will remember that they started with the opposite position.


[1] https://art19.com/shows/murder-sheet

 

[manifest destiny]

You would be very wrong. A lot of people have confessed to crimes they didn't commit, both from physical torture and mental.

Sure. I'm not speaking of the loons that confess to crimes they didn't commit. And unless the Indiana authorities have been physically and mentally torturing this guy(??), that doesn't come into play. I'm speaking of sitting on my couch, door crashes in, police arrest me for murdering two children -that I factually did not murder- and I'm now sitting in jail, without torture. No, I would not make statements that could be misconstrued as a "confession". I'm might be crying, hysterical, in mental shock and screaming out of my ass, but a confession? No. Now, throw in some water boarding, tooth grinding, electro-shock and maybe I admit to killing JFK. I think these "incriminating" statements are a real game changer for this case. A normal 50yo man that did not kill two children is highly unlikely to "confess" to such, sans torture.