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  • BloodEclipse

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    In the trenches for liberty!
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    March 18, 2009
    By Lona Manning


    A sitting President of the United States is "organizing a political organization loyal to him, bound by a pledge, outside the government and existing party apparatus. The historical precedents are ominous."


    What is so ominous about an organization? Americans, Alexis de Tocqueville famously observed, "constantly form associations.... If it is proposed to inculcate some truth or to foster some feeling by the encouragement of a great example, they form a society."


    Certainly, thousands of organizations seek to influence the political debate. There's Newt Gingrich's American Solutions or the left-wing People for the American Way, for instance.


    Political parties are another example of an association, of course. Before, during and after political campaigns, the Democrats and Republicans promote their agendas. As legal entities, they have their own constitutions, their rules of business, their chairmen and officers. They have to be accountable to both the government and their members.


    But there is a new organization on the political scene -- "Organizing for America," announced by President Barack Obama in late January but officially unfurled last weekend.


    Obama describes OFA as a "grass-roots movement" but OFA is a "project" of the Democratic Party of America.


    As Politico reported, OFA will take the 10 million person database built up by the Obama campaign "to mobilize support for the president's legislative agenda."
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    A visit to the OFA website reveals that supporters are not simply asked to sign up, they are asked to take a pledge. A pledge to support -- not the flag, not the constitution, not the country, not even the Democratic party, but Obama and his "bold plan." OFA does not use the Democratic Party logo but the "O"-shaped logo of the Obama campaign in which the red white and blue of the flag are abstracted to soft pastel colors.


    (Celebrities like Ashton Kuchner and Demi Moore did not wait until the official launch to "pledge to be of service" to Barack Obama, of course.)

    You will not find any mention of OFA`s governing structure, their budget, their bylaws, or their officers at the OFA website. Donations to the website go to the DNC, but OFA is managed out of the White House. If you click on the comments button, you are taken to a link to the White House email.


    Those who take the pledge are asked to "talk with people about the President's plan" and to "ask them to sign their names to the pledge" in support of Obama's policies.


    So we have a Movement -- this is their term, not mine -- organized by, and loyal to, a sitting President. Pledge canvassers, armed with your name, will ask you to pledge loyalty to the President too. A president whose term has already become a permanent campaign, is signing up ground forces in a mass organization pledged to personal loyalty to their Leader.


    Does anyone know of any historical precedents for this in the United States?


    Did Mitch Stewart, youthful director of OFA, who asks Obama's acolytes to organize "neighborhood by neighborhood" study anything at school about Mao's "Red Guards?


    How about Fidel Castro's "widespread system of neighborhood informers"?

    Or Hugo Chavez's use of "neighborhood committees"?

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    Did Stewart learn anything about democracy at all?


    Do any of Obama's pledged servants understand why a sitting president has no business creating and deploying his own supporters to help organize their neighbors?


    Keep in mind that these acolytes have renounced any thought of questioning the actual policies of the maximum leader. Whatever he says, they are for it. They have given their word.


    And they are coming to have a talk with you.


    As Thomas Lifson wrote, "This is not the way a democracy is supposed to operate."

    Let them come talk to me. I don't think they are going to like me very much!
     

    Bill of Rights

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    ...Those who take the pledge are asked to "talk with people about the President's plan" and to "ask them to sign their names to the pledge" in support of Obama's policies.


    So we have a Movement...

    This is a very good term for it. A "movement". See my sig if this is unclear.

    If they want to come talk with me about Obama's plans, I have but one question: Is it Constitutional? When the answer is no (and it is, even though they won't admit it), there is nothing further to discuss.

    If he can't "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States" as he swore to do, why should we support him?

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    I've had a little fun with words and replaced a few nouns with other nouns for your reading pleasure:

    A sitting President of Germany is "organizing a political organization loyal to him, bound by a pledge, outside the government and existing party apparatus. The historical precedents are ominous."


    What is so ominous about an organization? Germans, Alexis de Tocqueville famously observed, "constantly form associations.... If it is proposed to inculcate some truth or to foster some feeling by the encouragement of a great example, they form a society."


    Certainly, thousands of organizations seek to influence the political debate. There's Newt Gingrich's American Solutions or the left-wing People for the American Way, for instance.


    Political parties are another example of an association, of course. Before, during and after political campaigns, the Democrats and Republicans promote their agendas. As legal entities, they have their own constitutions, their rules of business, their chairmen and officers. They have to be accountable to both the government and their members.


    But there is a new organization on the political scene -- "Schutzstaffel," announced by Chancellor Adolf Hitler in late January but officially unfurled last weekend.


    Hitler describes the SS as a "grass-roots movement" but the SS is a "project" of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.


    As Politico reported, the SS will take the 10 million person database built up by the Hitler campaign "to mobilize support for the chancellor's legislative agenda."
     

    Colt556

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    Sounds like something that was started in the 30's by a then little known man named Adolf Hitler. I wonder if they'll be issued brown shirts and billy clubs!
     

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    Elections like Stalin?

    When I was in the Air Force, I went to the Defense Language Institute Russian Language School (at Lackland for AF when I was in--I really should have bucked for a different language rather then spend another year at the base where I did Basic). Most of the instructors were Russian ex-pats. One of them told us a bit about how "elections" in the Soviet Union were handled:

    First, turn-out is very high, close to 99%. The reason for that is very simple. People from the Party organization would basically hound you until you went to vote--they would come to your workplace, to your home, etc.

    Next, the ballots were basically "agree with the pick or disagree." Theoretically, the chosen official could be "voted down" but here's the way things worked. If one "agrees" one need do nothing. If one disagrees, one needs to go to the curtained booth (after all, it's a secret ballot, right?) and mark the individuals one is voting against. Now, to reach that curtained booth, one has to walk past a desk at which sat a KGB officer. Or, one could simply drop the unmarked ballot into the receiving box without going to the curtained booth. "Agree" also ran on the order of 99%. The comment from the ex-pat was "I suppose there are always a few crazy people. (Crazy in that they mark themselves for attention by the KGB by going into that curtained booth.)
     

    CulpeperMM

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    When I was in the Air Force, I went to the Defense Language Institute Russian Language School (at Lackland for AF when I was in--I really should have bucked for a different language rather then spend another year at the base where I did Basic). Most of the instructors were Russian ex-pats. One of them told us a bit about how "elections" in the Soviet Union were handled:

    First, turn-out is very high, close to 99%. The reason for that is very simple. People from the Party organization would basically hound you until you went to vote--they would come to your workplace, to your home, etc.

    Next, the ballots were basically "agree with the pick or disagree." Theoretically, the chosen official could be "voted down" but here's the way things worked. If one "agrees" one need do nothing. If one disagrees, one needs to go to the curtained booth (after all, it's a secret ballot, right?) and mark the individuals one is voting against. Now, to reach that curtained booth, one has to walk past a desk at which sat a KGB officer. Or, one could simply drop the unmarked ballot into the receiving box without going to the curtained booth. "Agree" also ran on the order of 99%. The comment from the ex-pat was "I suppose there are always a few crazy people. (Crazy in that they mark themselves for attention by the KGB by going into that curtained booth.)

    thanks for this
     

    HICKMAN

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    the king is rallying his jesters of celebs, making silly little videos and songs for the masses to enjoy.

    People tend to forget actors make a living pretending to be someone they are not, while we live the life we make for ourselves.
     

    printcraft

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    Funny. Back before the election a 20 something guy come up to my house.
    He was stumping for Obama. This was before Hillary was out.

    I happened to be in the garage cleaning my AR at the time. :)
    I had my AR clamped in a vice block and heard...
    "Excuse me sir. I'm here to inform you about presidential candidate b. obama."

    I said OK lets start right here and pointed to my rifle.
    What does obama think of my right to keep and bear arms?

    This squid proceeds to TRY to tell me that obama believes in
    the 2nd amendment and would protect my rights.

    I said I heard enough of that shi* and asked him to leave. "Why sir?"

    Well kid #1 obama voted for every gun restriction legislation that crossed his desk. (which the squid tried to deny) And ask the people of his district.
    You can't even HAVE A GUN in Chicago if you not a cop or otherwise gov. connected.

    He tried to tell me I was wrong on my facts and I told him
    "No sorry, you better look these FACTS up yourself before you
    go about trying to INFORM anyone else. What else are you misinformed about?"
     

    danielocean03

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    I keep thinking maybe my tinfoil hat is on a little too tight, but all of the suspicions I have surrounding Obama and his regime just keep on coming. This type of stuff just kills me, the CHANGE America needs involves deporting all of the liberals, Obama first.
     
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