Shoulder Dmg from Re-sizing 243 Win

[tomcat13]

I recently had some Issues Re-sizing Hornady 243 Win brass & welcome suggestions/ideas on what may be causing this. Pertinents: I use Midway (Aerosol) Minute Lube & Imperial (Graphite) for Lubing the Neck area. The brass has been fired At Least Once (however, I don't know exactly how many times, since they were "Freebies")
After the 1st indentation appeared, I thoroughly Cleaned the Re-sizing Die (I'm aware this issue can be the result of excessive Lube in the Die).
After the 2nd Case came out Dmgd, I tried using some Nosler (Once fired) Brass with the Same Lube regiment & had No Problem.
Is it Possible this issue is due to the Brass being "Soft" from Excessive previous Firings?
If this is the case, I'll just Chuck the Hornady Cases-rather than loading them & Fire-Forming them back to original Shape.
Below are pics of the Dmgd Cases.
Thanks for any/all ideas!

 

[Gaffer]

I know you said you understand lubing the neck area, but this brass shows textbook photos of too much lube in neck area.

Ron

 

[Bill2905]

As you have pointed out, the pictures suggest hydraulic denting from too much lube. I use spray lube too and tend to use too much. Try applying a very thin film with your finger. Many non-spray lube manufacturers advise you to keep it off of the shoulder so try that too. If you have another type of non-spray lube like Lee or Imperial sizing wax, try those.

If your die has a vent hole, check it to be sure that it is not plugged.

 

[tomcat13]

Thanks again for the Responses! (No vent hole in my Die) I'd even resort to trying Bacon Grease, if I thought it'd work. lol

 

[2in1evtime]

That dent will come out when you fire it, have had the same thing happen to me too, lube gets built up in die no where to go and hydraulic pressure does the rest, as to getting soft no it is actually the opposite-firing makes the brass on shoulder harder that is why it is annealed to keep it softer!

 

[indianagenius]

If you don't have a vent in your traditional sizing die (that is not plugged), you will be very susceptible to this "denting" issue. Yes, you also need to be careful with the amount and type of lube. Also, only bump your shoulder back about 0.002". Excessive sizing can also be a factor. See some tips here from Redding: https://www.redding-reloading.com/tech-line-a-tips-faqs/148-cartridge-case-denting

 

[guardman7]

I recently had some Issues Re-sizing Hornady 243 Win brass & welcome suggestions/ideas on what may be causing this. Pertinents: I use Midway (Aerosol) Minute Lube & Imperial (Graphite) for Lubing the Neck area. The brass has been fired At Least Once (however, I don't know exactly how many times, since they were "Freebies")
After the 1st indentation appeared, I thoroughly Cleaned the Re-sizing Die (I'm aware this issue can be the result of excessive Lube in the Die).
After the 2nd Case came out Dmgd, I tried using some Nosler (Once fired) Brass with the Same Lube regiment & had No Problem.
Is it Possible this issue is due to the Brass being "Soft" from Excessive previous Firings?
If this is the case, I'll just Chuck the Hornady Cases-rather than loading them & Fire-Forming them back to original Shape.
Below are pics of the Dmgd Cases.
Thanks for any/all ideas!
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Too much case lube. youre causing a hydraulic dent. Your cases don't get soft with firings, they get harder each time you fire them.

 

[Father Guido Sarducci]

you don't need to lube the shoulder. If you feel you do, I use Unique or Imperial wax, but very sparingly. I apply it on thumb index and forefinger evenly then on the case body and shoulder/neck

 

[bigedp51]

If you read the manual it tells you to wipe the shoulder and neck off after lubing the case.

 

[SSE]

The case lube is mainly to keep case from getting stuck in die when it is sizing the case body.
As others have said you do not need it on neck or shoulder, little if any at all.

 

[Hawkeye7br]

I sometimes experience this too. When it happens, I'll alternate unlubed cases with the lubed cases. Or maybe 2 lubed cases and then one unlubed.

 

[Michigan Slim]

I sometimes experience this too. When it happens, I'll alternate unlubed cases with the lubed cases. Or maybe 2 lubed cases and then one unlubed.

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