They said that even OTHER officers were yelling at the officer who shot.
Since I feel it is relevant in this case, I will also say this. Anytime you put yourself in the middle of a bad situation, you assume some risk that something bad may happen to you...even if you do everything right. IF so many officers knew he was a security guard, I have to wonder why at least one hadn't already taken over so the security guard could have stood down. Seems odd to me that they had already identified who he was but none of them were on top of the bad guy putting cuffs on him. Just makes me wonder where people were positioned and IF the officer who shot really ran out guns a blazin. Again we don't have all the facts so more speculation.
Hard to Monday morning quarterback this without knowing all the facts.
We don't know what info was relayed to the responding officers by dispatch.
We don't know the level of training the officers have.
Things we do know are the environment. Illinois is a crap state, run by liberal idiots, so there is a good chance the department isn't up to the standards we see here in Indiana.
We know that though the guard did a brave and selfless thing stopping the bad guy, he did it incorrectly. You NEVER want to be the guy holding the gun on a civilian when the cops show up... All they know is who the threat is at the time they arrive, and there you are, standing there pointing a gun at what looks to be a helpless victim.
I only hope like hell IL has the felony murder rule so the dirtbag pays for the cops mistake. Sure bet they won't. I'm kinda thinking they jumped the gun a bit, even though I also understand why they would, and why they would be excused for it.
Still, it's a good thing the summer riot season is over.
This forum gets more confusing with each post. What do you carry? Open or concealed? Women carrying guns. Molon Labe. Don’t tread on me.
Just don’t show a weapon if an officer is near or you may get shot and it will somehow be your fault. We give police such awesome authority but so much less responsibility for their actions than an untrained civilian. Do we have the right to keep and bear or don’t we?
We ohh and ahh over who’s is biggest and baddest. We go on and on about the good guy with a gun stopping the bad guy with a gun. Well it would appear the good guy stopped the bad guy and then got himself shot by the protect and serve guy. Keep bragging about what you got and what you carry, just keep it in put away unless you in your own home. Unless someone comes through your door in the wee hours to take it from you. You get dead for that too.
I just heard that there were two departments on scene when the two Midlothian cars arrived. The bouncer was wearing a bulet proof vest that said SECURITY. people told the arriving police that he was security. The officer shot him 1 time and followed up with 4 more.
I am sure now that it was 100% the security guards fault.
Uniformed security guard with other people, including other officers, shouting that he was security. Doesn't look good for the officer at all. If a CCW'er made that mistake he would be instantly crucified by the entire community, "you're responsible for every round you fire", etc etc. I see no reason not to hold a police officer to the same standard, if not a higher one. The currently available facts all point to a massive ****up on his part. No uniformed, armed security guard should have to worry about being shot for holding a gun while performing his duties. As far as I'm concerned this is as dumb as an officer rolling up to an active scene and immediately shooting another police officer because "well, he had a gun". I am expected to have better judgement than that as an armed citizen, and I am inclined to cut NO slack to a police officer who cannot even manage the degree of good judgement expected of me, average douchebag.
First if two departments had already arrived, and determined the good guy was security why wasn't the bad guy in their custody?
If the good guy was in fact wearing a vest that said security and he was shot once followed by 4 more rounds, then yes that certainly smells fishy and adds to the suspicion of wrong doing/poor judgement by the officer.
I never said it was 100% the good guys fault. Read what I said again...may have contributed.