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  • melensdad

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    Interesting to see something like this in the news. Check the bold area. Gunfree Zones attract shootings. Of course that is something we have thought to be true for quite a while, for some reason some people think the paper signs do some good. Apparently it is, as we thought, just the opposite.

    Follow the link for the video, which is more detailed and offers greater analysis.

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    When Seconds Count: Stopping Active Killers

    Reported by: Brendan Keefe
    Email: Brendan.Keefe@wcpo.com
    Last Update: 1:22 am

    There have been so many school shootings over the last 40 years that researchers have been able to develop a profile of the typical mass murderer.

    They're called "active shooters" or "active killers" and their crimes play out in a matter of minutes.

    After the Columbine High School massacre in 1999, police changed their tactics.

    The two student gunmen killed 15 people and themselves before the SWAT team was in position.

    Commanders realized that it simply takes too long to assemble a tactical team in time to stop an active killer.

    The new tactics developed in response to Columbine involved creating an ad-hoc tactical team using the first four or five patrol officers on the scene.

    They would enter the shooting scene in a diamond formation with guns pointing in all directions.

    This technique was employed by police departments around the country.

    Then 32 people were killed by a lone gunman at Virginia Tech in April 2007.
    Seung Hui Cho shot 47 people, 30 fatally, in the university's Norris Hall in just 11 minutes.

    That means every minute he killed more than three people and shot a total of four.

    Once again, the gunman continued shooting until a four-officer team made entry and then he killed himself.

    Law enforcement reviewed its tactics.

    Based on the Virginia Tech data, experts determined the first officer on scene should make entry immediately with an aggressive attack on the shooter.

    Every minute the officer waits for back-up, another three or more people could die.

    In other words, while it was once considered suicide for a lone officer to take on an active killer, it is now considered statistical homicide for him not to do so.

    Tactical Defense Institute in Adams County, Ohio developed one of the first "single officer response" programs in the nation.

    TDI was teaching the tactic even before Virginia Tech. Now the National School Resource Officer Organization (NSRO) is using TDI instructors to teach school resource officers how to confront a gunman immediately.

    Locally, all Blue Ash police officers are trained in these new tactics in large part because their chief, Col. Chris Wallace, is also a TDI instructor.

    The other statistic that emerged from a study of active killers is that they almost exclusively seek out "gun free" zones for their attacks.

    In most states, concealed handguns are prohibited at schools and on college campuses even for those with permits.


    Many malls and workplaces also place signs at their entrances prohibiting firearms on the premises.

    Now tacticians believe the signs themselves may be an invitation to the active killers.

    The psychological profile of a mass murderer indicates he is looking to inflict the most casualties as quickly as possible.

    Also, the data show most active killers have no intention of surviving the event.

    They may select schools and shopping malls because of the large number of defenseless victims and the virtual guarantee no on the scene one is armed.

    As soon as they're confronted by any armed resistance, the shooters typically turn the gun on themselves.​
     

    Bigum1969

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    Great find, Melensdad. I personally am going to send this to a few people that I've had the discussion about gun free zones. It is very interesting, and somewhat surprising, that the story actually broached the subject of "gun free" (victim) zones.
     

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    What great coverage of problem that has not been taken on with the proper amount of gusto to this point. After reading that I have some hope for the future. If only school administrators in this state would take it seriously. If only our newly elected Supt. of Public Instruction would make it a part of what he is trying to accomplish.

    I never understood how a police officer could sit outside a school with an active shooter and wait for back up. The police officers I know personally I could not imagine them doing that. The good ones would enter, and the bad ones would pretend their radio was not working.
     

    melensdad

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    Seems to me that people who support "GUN FREE ZONES" should be given a sign to put in front of their homes that say they live in a "GUN FREE HOME" and then see how they respond to putting such a sign up at the end of their driveway or on their front door.
     

    Bigum1969

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    Seems to me that people who support "GUN FREE ZONES" should be given a sign to put in front of their homes that say they live in a "GUN FREE HOME" and then see how they respond to putting such a sign up at the end of their driveway or on their front door.

    :+1: and reps!
     

    kludge

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    Based on the Virginia Tech data, experts determined the first officer on scene should make entry immediately with an aggressive attack on the shooter.

    Uhhhh... ya think?

    Still won't happen though. Better to arm the sheepdogs. They have vested interest in engaging the shooter - survival.

    And not to cop-bash, but what is the officers vested interest in running into a building where there is an active shooter? Unless his/her kid attends the school, or his/her spouse teaches there.
     

    Bill of Rights

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    I find it interesting* that the shooters turn the gun on themselves when confronted with effective, armed resistance. To me, this says that they want, as it's been said, to "go out in a blaze of glory". I agree that quick response, preferably by an armed public, is the ideal solution. I have to wonder, though, if at some point one of these slimeballs is taken alive and not "martyred" but rather given a very public trial and all of his faults and flaws dragged out in the public eye, if the possibility of actual capture and humiliation would act as yet another deterrent. Something tells me that one of these perpetual geekazoids who was always the butt of everyone's jokes :drama: :nopity: had his online S&M :whip: midget(or kiddy) porn collection, his tiny penis size, and his bedwetting exposed, he would not be anyone's martyr but rather just another pervert to be ridiculed and abused as someone's prison bitch.

    Please note that I used the word "geekazoid", not "geek". Geeks have much to offer society, for they are the ones we all turn to when our computers go wonky, among many other similar situations. It's a plus that you can often pay them in Doritos, Mountain Dew, and HoHos. :D (and yes, to our resident geeks, I mean this in humor, not disrespect.)

    Geekazoids, IMHO, are just losers with bad attitudes and poor hygiene. Their only redeeming social value is that they do eventually die.

    *Of note, I should add that "interesting" is the word I use when I can't think of anything else polite to say.


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    Doug

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    It seems to me that it is time to call for some REASONABLE gun legislation. To wit: Government buildings that provide armed security will be the only places that can restrict lawful carry of firearms by citizens. This article demonstrates that "Gun Free Zones" contribute to the liklihood of mass murder.

    Doug
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    elaw555

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    Criminals expect and plan for compliance from their intended victims. If they are presented with resistance they are forced to modify their plans, something they typically are not prepared to do. It has also been shown that at the first sight of equally armed or sometimes unarmed resistance active shooters either commit suicide or surrender.
     

    indytechnerd

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    I think some of it is "attention whore" syndrome.

    ...(from another forum about a conversation with my wife)...
    "...explaining how I worried daily about someone deciding to walk into the mall, grocery store, or wherever with the intent of shooting up the place. I told her that on Saturday, while she was shoe shopping and I was watching the kids at the play place, I looked at the face of everyone who passed in my field of vision. During the conversation, it happened that we were watching some show on CNN about the Jonestown, Guyana cult and Jim Jones. The conversation turned to things like Columbine, VA Tech, and 9/11. I told her that today is different because of the internet, global tv, and instant news. If someone wants to make a statement and commits suicide, it might not make the local news, but they could kill a bunch of innocent people and the world would know in hours."
    (end self-quote)
    If some Joe is upset about his life, and "had his online S&M :whip: midget(or kiddy) porn collection, his tiny penis size, and his bedwetting exposed", it's currently the norm to take it out on the world. And, now that he's shot up the Gap, the pretzel shop, and EB Games, the whole world knows his name, he's famous, and unfortunately, in some cases, popular or cool.
     
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