SB 649/ manchin toomey universal background checks bill

[FMJ]

OK Kids, sorry if this is a dupe.

I havent seen the actual language of the bill so cut me some slack. But if what this guy is saying is true, WTF! Lets get it done. It makes the lefty gun grabbers feel good that they "did something" yet actually helps all law abiding gun owners.

We all already go thru background checks for EVERY gun we purchase from a vendor (gun show or internet) and every person that has a CCW, CCH, or LTCH have undergone a back ground check.

What am i missing here??

This bill makes it a punishable felony to compile a registry of gun owners.

No more NICS checks if you already have your LTCH or other gun license.

Protection from civil litigation on used purchases from dealers/vendors.

Nothing about private sales/gifts to friends/family.

Protections when traveling cross country with a firearm.

Being able to purchase a handgun out of state.

[ame]http://youtu.be/E9UMox1WoTw[/ame]

 

[BogWalker]

I'm sure they've got something planned. It's also possible he's just lying. Would still like to be able to sell a rifle to whoever a darned well pleased without it costing $25 in transfer fees. Once they're mandatory you know the price will go up because it can.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[FMJ]

did you not look at the video...NOTHING about face to face/personal transactions. Yes, it could be a bunch of lies too. This is why i posted...i am hoping to find more info on the actual language.


You already go thru a background check when purchasing from a vendor/dealer. You already PAY $25 transfer fees for out of state/internet sales.

I dunno what i am missing, i havent read the bill. I am not a lawyer. But it sounds like a decent "compromise" to me if there are built in protections.

Like making it a felony for the ATF to build registries...as they do and have done already with no fear of reprisal.

 

[FMJ]

Text of S. 649: Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013 (Placed on Calendar in the Senate version) - GovTrack.us

Theres the link to the language.

I read at a pretty high level but legaleze gives me a damn headache...tis why i am not a lawyer. I dont see anything about the protections the guy in the video was talking about...except personal transfers/gifts. But again, i admit it will take me a couple weeks to digest the entire document.

 

[BogWalker]

It says it protects gifts between family members. Section 122. Still gets rid of private sales to non-family members by my reading. Does set a limit for what an FFL transfer can cost though. Don't see anything about a registry.

I wouldn't trust any of it.

 

[rugertoter]

Right!?! This will probably flat spin soon.

 

[jblomenberg16]

Seems that this section pretty much lays the ground work for "registration."

SEC. 121. PURPOSE.

• The purpose of this subtitle is to extend the Brady Law background check procedures to all sales and transfers of firearms.

SEC. 122. FIREARMS TRANSFERS.

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‘(B) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph--

• ‘(i) shall include a provision setting a maximum fee that may be charged by licensees for services provided in accordance with paragraph (1); and
  ‘(ii) shall include a provision requiring a record of transaction of any transfer that occurred between an unlicensed transferor and unlicensed transferee accordance with paragraph (1).’.
  
  

 

[traderdan]

Of Course...This is the purpose of it all.

 

[jblomenberg16]

Found this gem:

SEC. 207. LIMITATION ON OPERATIONS BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

• The Department of Justice, and any of its law enforcement coordinate agencies, shall not conduct any operation where a Federal firearms licensee is directed, instructed, enticed, or otherwise encouraged by the Department of Justice to sell a firearm to an individual if the Department of Justice, or a coordinate agency, knows or has reasonable cause to believe that such an individual is purchasing on behalf of another for an illegal purpose unless the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, or the Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division personally reviews and approves the operation, in writing, and determines that the agency has prepared an operational plan that includes sufficient safeguards to prevent firearms from being transferred to third parties without law enforcement taking reasonable steps to lawfully interdict those firearms.
  

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  Is this the "Holder Escape Clause?"

 

[Tombs]

I havent seen the actual language of the bill

Then how can you have anything to say about it?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Right!?! This will probably flat spin soon.

No, I was just tagging so I'd be able to find this thread again when I had time to digest the info.

Did anybody else listen to Alan Gottlieb discussing the Tooney-Manchin bill on the podcast in this thread?

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...88601-details_of_the_toomey_manchin_bill.html

 

[HenryWallace]

I didn't know that 'shall not be infringed' meant that they can have a 'discussion'
about just how far they could restrict access to the American people to firearms, while they themselves are exempt from such measures.
I wish I was as smart as a Lawyer.

 

[FMJ]

Then how can you have anything to say about it?

Do half the people on this site even bother to read/digest the content of a thread, or do they just spout half cocked in an attempt to cause strife?

Watch the video in OP then see post #5!

To the others, thank you for the thoughtful commentary and actually making an attempt to learn and in turn educate about what, at second or third glance, seems to be dangerous legislation. Not at all what Gottleib is trying to peddle...but again, legaleze is NOT my strong suit.

 

[CarmelHP]

Do half the people on this site even bother to read/digest the content of a thread, or do they just spout half cocked in an attempt to cause strife?

Watch the video in OP then see post #5!

To the others, thank you for the thoughtful commentary and actually making an attempt to learn and in turn educate about what, at second or third glance, seems to be dangerous legislation. Not at all what Gottleib is trying to peddle...but again, legaleze is NOT my strong suit.

That is exactly what Gottlieb is trying to peddle. He's either a traitor or a fool. Don't be a fool on his say-so.

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