Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[BigRed]

Here’s what the FAA says about turning off transponder

Turn Off Your ADS-B, Go To Jail?

If you turn off your ADS-B, you may not go to jail, but you will get in deep with the FAA. Hereâs what else might happen too.

www.planeandpilotmag.com

Doubt they care

 

[Ark]

Yeah if you're refueling from a USAF tanker you don't play by plebian transponder rules.

I say it might be a BDA after the explosions because doing this by air just doesn't make much sense to me, not when all flights are tracked as public record like this. I don't know exactly what kind of air-dropped ordnance would be suitable for busting open a concrete-encased pipeline, and even though it's 70 meters down and probably won't get examined in detail, any bomb/torpedo/depth charge/etc will leave identifiable pieces behind.

A submarine, a dive team, and simple explosive charges seems like the best option IMO.

 

[rooster]

Slightly related how fast can a plane be traveling and a halo or haho jump be done? That plane slowed to around 300 knots during the loop over the blast area

 

[nra4ever]

 

[BugI02]

Here’s what the FAA says about turning off transponder

Turn Off Your ADS-B, Go To Jail?

If you turn off your ADS-B, you may not go to jail, but you will get in deep with the FAA. Hereâs what else might happen too.

www.planeandpilotmag.com

Uhhh, that doesn't apply to the military - and military pilots aren't licensed by the FAA anyway

 

[BugI02]

Yeah if you're refueling from a USAF tanker you don't play by plebian transponder rules.

I say it might be a BDA after the explosions because doing this by air just doesn't make much sense to me, not when all flights are tracked as public record like this. I don't know exactly what kind of air-dropped ordnance would be suitable for busting open a concrete-encased pipeline, and even though it's 70 meters down and probably won't get examined in detail, any bomb/torpedo/depth charge/etc will leave identifiable pieces behind.

A submarine, a dive team, and simple explosive charges seems like the best option IMO.

Or the Russians could just send charges down the pipe on a PIG

 

[nra4ever]

 

[actaeon277]

Imagine for a moment that we had flight data that an unmarked plane had loitered the area near deep water horizon while a Russian helicopter launched from Cuba loitered 250 km away.

Would we expect an explanation from the Russians? Would the war drums be beating here on this very forum???

Why would you trust what a suspect says?

 

[actaeon277]

Slightly related how fast can a plane be traveling and a halo or haho jump be done? That plane slowed to around 300 knots during the loop over the blast area

why would you do a jump.. into the water.. for a dive. That has to be the worst way of accomplishing that.
plus, if it was halo, they wouldn't have been tracked on radar anyway. That why halo is done, to avoid radar.

 

[Tombs]

Or the Russians could just send charges down the pipe on a PIG

Or just.... turn it off.

Which is a lot easier than blowing up your own pipeline, and potentially provoking the world to invade you when you've taken painstaking efforts to avoid article 5.

It's getting to the point that if you don't submit to the most insane conspiracy theories people want to call you a russian spy and purity spiral the whole situation until you lose any and all valuable insight into the situation. This is how you cause a collapse in intelligence and lose the fight.

 

[nra4ever]

 

[Ark]

Or just.... turn it off.

Which is a lot easier than blowing up your own pipeline, and potentially provoking the world to invade you when you've taken painstaking efforts to avoid article 5.

It's getting to the point that if you don't submit to the most insane conspiracy theories people want to call you a russian spy and purity spiral the whole situation until you lose any and all valuable insight into the situation. This is how you cause a collapse in intelligence and lose the fight.

Yup. The whole point of taking a hostage is undone if you shoot the hostage. No reason for Russia to do this at all.

 

[DadSmith]

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This Baltic pipeline opened on the same day as THE NORDSTROM leak........

Come on its just coincidence.

 

[Wolfhound]

Come on its just coincidence.

I wonder which Country would be most upset about a new pipeline opening up? ‍

 

[DadSmith]

I wonder which Country would be most upset about a new pipeline opening up? ‍

I'm sure it will be known shortly.
Watch and wait for the reaction.

 

[Brad69]

I am not a Jump master or HALO but regular stuff max speed is around 150 kn.

I would think 300 kn would knock you out ?

 

[Wolfhound]

I'm sure it will be known shortly.
Watch and wait for the reaction.

I am looking to see what Sweden has to say. Anyone in Russia who dares to conduct an objective investigation would likely commit suicide then “jump” out a high rise window.

 

[BugI02]

Or just.... turn it off.

Which is a lot easier than blowing up your own pipeline, and potentially provoking the world to invade you when you've taken painstaking efforts to avoid article 5.

It's getting to the point that if you don't submit to the most insane conspiracy theories people want to call you a russian spy and purity spiral the whole situation until you lose any and all valuable insight into the situation. This is how you cause a collapse in intelligence and lose the fight.

Spain says Nord Stream gas leaks likely a deliberate act — and points the finger at Russia - Market Trading Essentials

BORNHOLM, DENMARK - SEPTEMBER 27: Danish Defense shows the gas leaking at Nord Stream 2 seen from th

www.markettradingessentials.com

When the claim is made that the US and EU in this matter are aligned and both are in cahoots to frame the Russians for the Nord Stream 1 and 2 sabotage (as it almost inevitably will be to explain this away), will that be an 'insane conspiracy theory' or seem plausible to you because of your own biases?

There is no more rationale for the EU to worsen its own energy crisis than there is for the US to commit an act of war against a nuclear power in order to further some shadowy political conspiracy

Edit: The time to just 'shut it off' would be before Germany ever became over reliant on it. If only some US president had warned them that Russia was an unreliable partner to mortgage their energy future to. Oy!

 

[KellyinAvon]

One way to know for sure: is Hunter on the board of any Polish energy companies?

 

[BigMoose]

Uhhh, that doesn't apply to the military - and military pilots aren't licensed by the FAA anyway

Or civilian fights for the military.

For example. N140SC when performing an orbital launch for the Space Force is ordered to turn off its ADS-B for opsec.