Because BLM and the Media would label them RACIST! and ANTIFA would come by after they close and burn them out?Many businesses are quick to post a "No Guns" sign, why don't they protect their patrons with a no trespass sign? And have violators arrested?
Lawyers. Always.Many businesses are quick to post a "No Guns" sign, why don't they protect their patrons with a no trespass sign? And have violators arrested?
I'm confused. I think there are some missing steps.Its not that easy. You arent trespassing until you have been officially notified by a cop called to take the trespass report. Here is how it works.
Business doesnt want you there anymore, calls cops.
Cop arrives, the manager explains they want you trespassed and you are ID'd and notified you are to leave immediately and never return, else be arrested.
If you leave and never come back, you are GTG.
If you refuse the officer's command to leave, or come back later, THEN they can have you arrested. But not before.
Nobody's going to jail just for showing up. Sign or not.
Yep. Shoot first, ask questions later.I'm confused. I think there are some missing steps.
I thought people of color were incapable of obtaining an ID so asking for ID is racist.
(of course we see how difficult getting an ID is by viewing the INGO Real ID thread).
If the officer is white and the trespasser is a person of color who refuses the officer's command I thought the cop was trained to shoot the person immediately.
Well of course nobody's going to jail. Prosecuting Attorneys don't care about business owners or people who follow the law so the Catch and Release program doesn't put criminals in jail.
I am still confused on the rules pertaining to personal property.Its not that easy. You arent trespassing until you have been officially notified by a cop called to take the trespass report. Here is how it works.
Business doesnt want you there anymore, calls cops.
Cop arrives, the manager explains they want you trespassed and you are ID'd and notified you are to leave immediately and never return, else be arrested.
If you leave and never come back, you are GTG.
If you refuse the officer's command to leave, or come back later, THEN they can have you arrested. But not before.
Nobody's going to jail just for showing up. Sign or not.
And thats a good thing. You really want the Soup Nazi having the ability to point you out to a cop and say "I dont want him in my store! Arrest him for trespassing, NOW!" Meanwhile you are standing there dumbfounded, wondering why you are going to jail for insisting on trying to use a coupon that he says isnt valid but you say it is?
I guess the signs/purple paint are expected to inform folks not to come onto your property and therefore cops dont need to be involved.I am still confused on the rules pertaining to personal property.
I have to pre-inform someone not to come onto my property by placing signs or painting purple. Then if someone gets caught there they still get told to leave by LEO? Why even have signs?
I agree with stores not being allowed to have you tossed in the clink for existing. One Karen manager and the store could be empty.
Marked private property is a different issue from a place of business, like a restaurant or store or Cracker Barrel. If you have a trail cam and see someone trespassing, I believe you could have that person charged with trespassing. There are other issues like if, say, the "Farm" restaurant in B-town has a no firearms policy - it did when I went there once, and the sign was posted in the bathroom, after I had already ordered... The lamb wasn't up to par and I won't return on the firearms principle. AFAIK, technically, that sign has no legal ramifications in IN, but they can ask you to leave for any reason, then it becomes a trespassing issue.I am still confused on the rules pertaining to personal property.
I have to pre-inform someone not to come onto my property by placing signs or painting purple. Then if someone gets caught there they still get told to leave by LEO? Why even have signs?
I agree with stores not being allowed to have you tossed in the clink for existing. One Karen manager and the store could be empty.
This. That is where this gets murky. They had the right to be on the sidewalk. Its where they started harassing the outdoor diners that it gets troublesome. (or if they left the sidewalk and entered the dining area, its a no-go.) But if the restaurant just setup the tables on the sidewalk proper (no actual patio) I dont think that would be trespassing.Marked private property is a different issue from a place of business, like a restaurant or store or Cracker Barrel. If you have a trail cam and see someone trespassing, I believe you could have that person charged with trespassing. There are other issues like if, say, the "Farm" restaurant in B-town has a no firearms policy - it did when I went there once, and the sign was posted in the bathroom, after I had already ordered... The lamb wasn't up to par and I won't return on the firearms principle. AFAIK, technically, that sign has no legal ramifications in IN, but they can ask you to leave for any reason, then it becomes a trespassing issue.
Edit: Towards the OP there's an additional issue of deniability. There have been times when I've entered a restaurant, saw the menu, apologized and left because I didn't want to eat their food. The sidewalk protests are a different thing, I guess, but how do you stop people from protesting on the street? As far as I know, that's their right.
Yeah, the good old days when vigilante justice prevailed and "due process" meant nothing. Sounds utopian to me...When I was younger, a man in East Tennessee named Cas Walker owned quite a few grocery stores. There started to be problems with gangs of thugs in some of the run down areas. He went on radio and TV saying he had hired security that would "woop them good" and swear the thugs started it. It worked, the next month or so, Cas Walkers security rounded up a good number of criminals, punched them up pretty good, drove them far from town and pushed them down embankments. Not a single lawman or lawyer had any problem with that. No more stolen cars, no more purse snatchings, no more disruption and no more stickups or shoplifting. People shopped in peace and Cas kept raking in the money. Things were different in the 60's and 70's.
...behaving badly had uncomfortable consequences.Yeah, the good old days when...