Poll: Who thinks the Dems lost the election when they picked Clinton over Sander

[actaeon277]

Poll: Who thinks the Dems lost the election when they picked Clinton over Sanders?

 

[Leo]

In addition to the personalities at question, the platforms could not have been more different. I think the Socialist platform of bernie would have been similar enough to the official dnc platform that it would have not made a difference. It s not like Trump was picked for smooth talking seductive speeches. Even people that agreed with his statements hated the way he presented the views.

 

[jbombelli]

I can't be sure Sanders would have won, but he would have had a lot better chance than Clinton. The Democrats did this to themselves by forcing Clinton on everyone, and constantly shrieking insults at everyone who disagrees with them. What did they actually expect to happen? That Basket of Deplorables would say "...oh... you're right! The word deplorable convinced me!"?

I doubt they'll get it though.

 

[Shadow8088]

I'm still surprised that Wasserman-Shultz hasn't been hung by her ankles and beaten like a pinata....

 

[mcjon77]

I am pretty certain about it. First, his message tapped into the same voters that Trump used to beat Hillary. Second, he wasn't under FBI investigation. As an aside, I ASTOUNDS ME that any party would nominate a candidate who was being investigated by the FBI (which Hillary was for the most of the Primaries). Third, Wikileaks would not have targeted him. Assange has a personal vendetta against Clinton. For God's sake, while Secretary of State, she once suggested launching a drone strike on him to keep him from leaking more information. She voted for the Iraq war, which he hats. She was also part of the Obama administration, whom he despises. My bet is that with a Sanders nomination Wikileaks would have stayed out of it.

Lastly, people LIKED Bernie. The majority of folks I know who voted for Clinton (MYSELF INCLUDED) did it while holding our nose. The leaks about the DNC screwing Sanders over, and Donna Brazille giving Clinton the freaking questions for the debate just made it even more unbearable.

 

[BogWalker]

The disenfranchised working class swung the vote in this election. Sanders and Trump both appealed to them in a different way (one with more government assistance, the other with less government inteference). Sanders, however, also had the leftist youth vote that Hillary struggled to co-op when he dropped the race. I believe he could have beaten Trump.

 

[actaeon277]

So far, the vote is 11 to 7.

 

[hoosierdoc]

don't forget about the dems who would be livid a man was picked over Hillary AGAIN

 

[hopper68]

Would the smear campaign against Trump been as mean? How would Trump have campaigned differently with Bernie as an opponent? A lot of variables we will never know for our little game of What If.

 

[Shadow8088]

Would the smear campaign against Trump been as mean? How would Trump have campaigned differently with Bernie as an opponent? A lot of variables we will never know for our little game of What If.

That's easy....

Trump - You're a socialist!!!

Sanders - Yeah? And?

 

[churchmouse]

I am pretty certain about it. First, his message tapped into the same voters that Trump used to beat Hillary. Second, he wasn't under FBI investigation. As an aside, I ASTOUNDS ME that any party would nominate a candidate who was being investigated by the FBI (which Hillary was for the most of the Primaries). Third, Wikileaks would not have targeted him. Assange has a personal vendetta against Clinton. For God's sake, while Secretary of State, she once suggested launching a drone strike on him to keep him from leaking more information. She voted for the Iraq war, which he hats. She was also part of the Obama administration, whom he despises. My bet is that with a Sanders nomination Wikileaks would have stayed out of it.

Lastly, people LIKED Bernie. The majority of folks I know who voted for Clinton (MYSELF INCLUDED) did it while holding our nose. The leaks about the DNC screwing Sanders over, and Donna Brazille giving Clinton the freaking questions for the debate just made it even more unbearable.

And with all of this you still voted for her.

 

[Leadeye]

Big money wasn't interested in anything that Bernie had to say, clinton was going to be the nominee irrespective of other candidates. I figured her campaign would self destruct early over the pressure of holding together the big money players and the SJW people. Never figured on Bernie showing up to play. Her campaign was all about the money, trade deal money in particular and that's what sank her with blue collar America, they all remember nafata and the giant sucking sound.

 

[K_W]

If Sanders been allowed to run, they still would have gotten the regular Dem voters and the throngs of young mush brain socialists that he had in the Primaries.

It would have been 2008 all over again.

Instead they stole the primary from Bernie and gave it to the establishment candidate which ticked off the under 35 crowd who largely supported Bernie and they split their votes between Johnson and Greene

Then the older folks who have watched Trump do great things in life and on TV for decades suddenly be vilified by Clinton and the media. They also saw Clinton call them "Deplorable" on national TV and realized how big of a elitist she was.

The medical issues, email scandal, Wikileaks releases, lies to Congress, Obamacare rate increases, and executive gun control talk didn't help her either.

 

[printcraft]

I am pretty certain about it. First, his message tapped into the same voters that Trump used to beat Hillary. Second, he wasn't under FBI investigation. As an aside, I ASTOUNDS ME that any party would nominate a candidate who was being investigated by the FBI (which Hillary was for the most of the Primaries). Third, Wikileaks would not have targeted him. Assange has a personal vendetta against Clinton. For God's sake, while Secretary of State, she once suggested launching a drone strike on him to keep him from leaking more information. She voted for the Iraq war, which he hats. She was also part of the Obama administration, whom he despises. My bet is that with a Sanders nomination Wikileaks would have stayed out of it.

Lastly, people LIKED Bernie. The majority of folks I know who voted for Clinton (MYSELF INCLUDED) did it while holding our nose. The leaks about the DNC screwing Sanders over, and Donna Brazille giving Clinton the freaking questions for the debate just made it even more unbearable.

That has to be a typo right? You voted for Trump but had to hold your nose... right?

 

[actaeon277]

Would the smear campaign against Trump been as mean? How would Trump have campaigned differently with Bernie as an opponent? A lot of variables we will never know for our little game of What If.

True, a lot of variables.

 

[Bapak2ja]

They lost the election when they let Obama destroy the economy, the military, the family, and basic morality.

 

[printcraft]

They lost the election when they let Obama destroy the economy, the military, the family, and basic morality.

Yep the dems got thrashed across the board. obama has broken the demoncrat party.

 

[01deuce]

And with all of this you still voted for her.

Exactly...!!!!

 

[churchmouse]

Exactly...!!!!

It was his vote to use as he saw fit.

I am just a bit twisted as to why he used it on her. Again his to use or loose.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I couldn't vote for either proposition because there's just too much we don't know. the Democrats would have vilified ANY Republican candidate in the harshest terms no matter who THEIR nominee was, and the MSM would have been in bed with them just as vehemently. Bernie could have been portrayed with all his negatives in personality and his platform, but I'm not sure how much good that would have done in the face of the ineffable stupidity of the youth of our nation.

On the other hand, Trump tapped into a vast pool of unrest and dissatisfaction with "political correctness" and bad economic and foreign policies. In the end, it alll hinged on two things, I think: 1) an extension of Obama's "energy policy" would have continued to hurt nominally Democrat union workers in the coal and energy industries, as well as continuing to contribute to the nation's economic woes, plus the economic damage created by ObamaCare, and 2) a sizable percentage of adults in the country have been increasingly concerned about unrestricted immigration and Obama's insistence upon bringing unscreened Muslim "refugees" into the country from the Middle East - especially considering what we're all seeing of the "migrants' " behavior in Europe.

I think the election would have been close even if Sanders had been the Democrat nominee.