Ohio poised to arm teachers

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GOP lawmakers pass bill allowing for armed teachers; DeWine signals support • Ohio Capital Journal

Republican state lawmakers sent a bill to Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine on Wednesday that empowers local boards of education to allow teachers to carry a gun in the classroom.

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What's inside the bill to arm Ohio teachers as it heads to Gov. Mike DeWine?

House Bill 99 would lower the minimum number of training hours required for armed school teachers from 728 to about 24.

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Ohio lawmakers consider bill to allow armed teachers in schools

Teachers and other school personnel could carry guns with 24 hours of training.

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[AndreusMaximus]

Lol. Three different headlines and not one of them is correct. Two make it sound like the new bill will allow teachers to be armed, where they weren't before: in reality it's already allowed, they're just changing the prerequisites.

Then the second headline: "...bill to arm Ohio teachers..." Ha. It should read "Bill to Somewhat Reduce the Burdensome, Unconstitutional Infringements on Teachers' 2nd Amendment Rights to Defend Themselves and their Students".

Don't get me wrong, what the bill actually does is a good start, but it's far from "arming teachers."

Now, if they were actually doing what the second headline claims, and starting a program to provide teachers with firearms, THAT would send a clear message to would-be school shooters.

 

[Bigtanker]

They have been able to be armed for several years. One of the gun people I follow(ed) a bit ran a training company in Ohio. They had a program especially for teachers.

 

[Bigtanker]

I can't seem to find the company now as I think it has changed hands but I did find this from 2018.

Police Experts Urge Intensive Training If Teachers Are Armed

A topic that has been gaining momentum over the past few days following the deadly school shooting in Parkland is putting guns in the hands of teachers

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Chris Cerino, a former law enforcement officer, now offers training to educators through his Cerino Consulting and Training Group. The program has taught 1,300 educators over five years. They spend 28 hours learning not just how to fire a gun but such things as ambush tactics, responding under stress, and treating wounds.

Students on occasion have left the class within the first few hours after realizing they're not cut out for it.

Cerino said teachers realize that the usual tactics taught in school — lockdowns and throwing books and other objects at a gunman — are simply "not going to stop a determined killer with a gun. And all that's going to do is delay in the inevitable."

 

[Farmerjon]

Because it is legal in the state, doesn't mean all schools participate.

 

[KellyinAvon]

The bill Jim Lucas introduced a couple times was 40 hours of training, designed by instructors at the Indiana Law Enforcement Academy.

728 hours, holy **** that’s over 18 weeks!! Are they training them for PIT maneuvers and pursuits??

Add this to the list of legislation to support next session.

 

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Wonder what the school shooter stats are for states that allow teachers to be armed?

 

[Quiet Observer]

Good for Ohio! This should help to make their schools safer.
There will probably a lot of hand wringing from the left. Some parent may even take their children from school. Nothing is 100% dependable, but this better than staying in a locked room waiting to be harvested. Not every teacher will want to accept the responsibility, nor will they be forced to.

 

[cosermann]

... 728 hours, holy **** that’s over 18 weeks ...

So currently the law in OH makes it technically possible for a teacher to carry, but practically impossible. I'd guess you could count the number of teachers in OH, willing to take 18 wks of training, and get board approval, on both hands. Maybe 1 hand. Heck, how many INGO members have taken 728 hours?

 

[manifest destiny]

I appreciate getting more good guys with guns around our children. But I feel all proper persons should be allowed to participate in this training which would allow in/on-school property carry. I do, however, wonder what the response would be the first time one of these teachers snap and shoot students.

 

[BigRed]

To quote the Pretenders....

Hey ho way to go Ohio.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I appreciate getting more good guys with guns around our children. But I feel all proper persons should be allowed to participate in this training which would allow in/on-school property carry. I do, however, wonder what the response would be the first time one of these teachers snap and shoot students.

I think it is Utah that does not forbid the carry of handguns on K-12 school property, on one's person, with the issuance of a carry permit.

To my knowledge, Utah has not had a shooting event in a K-12 school.

But I'm sure that's wholly coincidental.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Alamo]

Texas has About 1100 school districts, of which over 300 of them have adopted an “armed teachers” (meaning teachers, staff, administrators, but not
law-enforcement personnel) with the vast majority based on the self-administered “guardian” program.

These are almost entirely small population districts away from the big cities. The larger richer ISD’s tend to have their own police forces.

Uvalde had their own school police force. I don’t know for sure but that almost certainly means they didn’t have armed teachers. Didn’t exactly work out well for them.

 

[BigRed]

Uvalde had their own school police force.

It probably did not help that they had none on site when the murderous thug showed up.

I still have not heard where he was on that day.

 

[Big Naughty]

I would like to see teachers armed with AR pistols with side folding braces for easy storage. Thermal optics, smoke grenades and flash bangs should also be an option. Ballistic helmets with good comms and obviously body armor should be a requirement as well.

I've been watching a lot of Garand Thumb lately, but I'm still being serious. I'd recommend suppressors if a gun muffler wasn't so ridiculously legislated.

 

[Dcamp]

My only fear on this is when LEO are breaching the building are they gonna take the time to identify teacher vs bad guy . I can see stress and tension at a extreme high and you see the principal with a plate carrier and AR and it's lights out . I do like the idea of a armed school with properly trained staff but I just see problems as well

 

[04FXSTS]

I would think armed teachers will be a real world deterrent to school shootings, more so than one armed police officer stationed in a school system. As it is now a shooter knows all they have to do is avoid the officer or take them out first and they will have free reign inside the school.
I would have all teachers and appropriate staff be trained to defend their students. All should be trained but carrying should not be forced on any of them. This way only the teachers themselves know if they are carrying and any prospective shooter will only know all "could" be armed and ready to defend.
Seems like the only people that scream about how awful it would be to have armed teachers are the ones that do not want any teachers armed. I would never want ALL teachers armed because I know teachers. and other who are not responsible enough to even own firearms. Jim.

 

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New Ohio law allows teachers to carry guns in schools without a permit

Governor Mike DeWine signs law which also applies to custodians and bus drivers, while slashing training requirements

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mgderf]

My only fear on this is when LEO are breaching the building are they gonna take the time to identify teacher vs bad guy . I can see stress and tension at a extreme high and you see the principal with a plate carrier and AR and it's lights out . I do like the idea of a armed school with properly trained staff but I just see problems as well

Life itself presents problems.
Intelligence finds ways to mitigate the impact of issues, physical and mental.

 

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My only fear on this is when LEO are breaching the building are they gonna take the time to identify teacher vs bad guy . I can see stress and tension at a extreme high and you see the principal with a plate carrier and AR and it's lights out . I do like the idea of a armed school with properly trained staff but I just see problems as well

The coward school shooters will likely pick a gun free zone instead, or not do it at all. School shootings will be over with, for the most part, when there is real threat of being killed on the way in.