brotherbill3
Master
Carrying a handgun on school grounds is very plainly worded as a felony. There's not a bit of discretion there. This is an issue of a poorly worded phrase.
You are absolutely correct ... the statement I had above about "just carrying at schools" was made by Representative Battles (D Vincennes) during his argument NOT to pass SB 229 on the final day of the state legislature, referring to parents just locking guns in the car now and that revision of the current law was a waste of time ... (pause, see furhter reasoning below)
Now that's I've cited the code, I contend that the "terms thereof" apply to such things as expiration dates, residency (you can't live in OH and have a TX CHL), status on "proper citizen" (if I get charge with a felony my LTCH is null and void), etc.
How I carry, where I carry and when I carry are not a term of my license. They are set by state law.
Another hypothetical: Must holders of MI permits inform an officer? Must holders of MI permits refrain for alcoholic beverages? Must they avoid stadiums? These are all restriction in MI.
We (IMAGC) based on information on a question directly from someone from TX, who specifically does not wish to be a test case, and who will likely, be in the 'sites' of the Anti's due to her prominence at our event - outside - of the actual convention. She is still waiting on her CHL from Texas, but has OC's a BP pistol there (and will here). The point for her and others is to keep them squarely LEGAL w/o question; NOT to somehow risk to become a test case for which ATM, or any others on INGO, no matter how generous, are willing to pay and contribute legal fees, if you were even aware of it happening. (also leaves me wondering, are you all generously chipping in lost wages, travel to come and return for court dates etc?). We posted the locations where our facts came from (Code, ISP FAQ) so if others with a "more determined" to OC mindset {that several of you admirably stand up for (I agree with and when I'm down there I too will OC)} can decide for themselves to do so. The opinion we put up is our best understanding of the law, code and way this will be enforced by "officer eyenolykeeguns" ... who is button controlled by Mrs.SWattshestupidname - who is planning to have people here to protest the NRA and anyone with guns on or about them.
I have heard there may be plans to remove of the confusing cob-webs of current indiana gun related IC's. There is a great deal of duplication, and wording that leaves much to be desired and it is impeading further improvements (i.e. BABY STEPS) to our current carry laws.
Clearly IC35-47-2-21(b) - needs to be part of this.
Can someone show me where this requires ONLY concealed carry? No. It allows concealed carry. In Texas, licensed or not, open carry is prohibited. It's not prohibited as a T&C of the license, but it's prohibited of everyone as a result of law.
What I do see is an expiration date. That's something that is a T&C. We don't have expiration dates, but others do, they have to abide by them. We don't have qualification tests, others do and must abide by them even in IN.
Again, the license doesn't restrict the method of carry, the state's laws do. The license allows exemptions from some laws*. So, just quit getting hung up on the wording. It's license/permit and it allows the holder to carry a handgun in IN, but they must abide by OUR laws - not our state laws and their state laws.
* In PA the license allows CC, but OC is not restricted (oustide of Philly). In TX, the license allows CC, and OC is strictly verboten.
PS There's a lot of tinfoil in the thread about jackbootery.
PA also restricts UNLICENSED OC in vehicles.
Once you enter a vehicle, if OC-ing w/o a valid CH license, any weapon (even long guns) must be unloaded.
And Philadelphia just needs to be smacked ... little chicago they act like.
(how many pre-emption laws must my home/growing upstate pass for Philly to comply).