Monroe County Sheriff R. Lutz -1

[rgrimm01]

The word processor would not allow me to paste my reply as printed. Serves me right...

 

[Annie Oakley]

To answer a previous question.....no apparent written policy.

 

[LegatoRedrivers]

That update is ridiculous. So, if the officer stated over the phone (let's say that you're recording the call) and states that he placed his hand on another person's firearm, wouldn't he be admitting to assault? I believe if you touch an officer or their sidearm, the'll charge you with assaulting a police officer...

Also, for Destro's benefit, I'll be attempting to clear up any confusion he might have:

IC 35-47-11.1-3
Voidance of political subdivision ordinances, measures, enactments, rules, policies, and exercises of proprietary authority
Sec. 3. Any provision of an ordinance, measure, enactment, rule, or policy or exercise of proprietary authority of a political subdivision or of an employee or agent of a political subdivision acting in an official capacity:
(1) enacted or undertaken before, on, or after June 30, 2011; and
(2) that pertains to or affects the matters listed in section 2 of this chapter;
is void.

Definitions of included words:

Any - one or some indiscriminately of whatever kind.
Provision - a measure taken beforehand to deal with a need or contingency.
Of - used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation.
An - Indefinite Article.
Ordinance - An authoritative decree or direction.
Measure - An estimate of what is to be expected.
Enactment - The act of enacting : the state of being enacted.
Rule - A prescribed guide for conduct or action.
Or - Used as a function word to indicate an alternative.
Policy - A definite course or method of action selected from among alternatives and in light of given conditions.
Or - Used as a function word to indicate an alternative.
Exercise - The act of bringing into play or realizing in action.
Of - used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation.
Proprietary - One that possesses, owns, or holds exclusive right to something; specifically.
Authority - A conclusive statement or set of statements.
Of - used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation.
A - Indefinite Article.
Political - Of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government.
Subdivision - A subordinate part of a larger whole.
Or - Used as a function word to indicate an alternative.
Of - used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation.
An - Indefinite Article.
Employee - one employed by another usually for wages or salary and in a position below the executive level.
Or - Used as a function word to indicate an alternative.
Agent - Something that produces or is capable of producing an effect.
Of - used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation.
A - Indefinite Article.
Political - Of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government.
Subdivision - A subordinate part of a larger whole.
Acting - The act of taking action.
In - Used as a function word to indicate inclusion, location, or position within limits.
An - Indefinite Article.
Official - One who holds or is invested with an office.
Capacity - Duty, position, role.

Hope that clears things up?

 

[mrortega]

I live in northern Indiana, I hope I don't get him for a neighbor.

No, no. That would give you the chance to stroll over and welcome him to the neighborhood while OCing.

 

[mrortega]

This is incredible! Sneaking up behind someone and touching the gun? That is absolutely insane. And this guy was bragging about it?

It is apparent that this entire department is in need of some education and pronto, before one of their own gets hurt, or worse.

Promoting illegal policy and acting in an irrational manner with no regard to their own, or the law abiding citizens safety is not only irresponsible, it's dangerous.

This is one of the chief reasons I carry cross draw. If I am going to OC I'll go a step further and use a retention holster. If someone touches my weapon from behind my left arm is there to pin their hand if it stays on the pistol. My right is grabbing my nasty knife on my right side in order to be able to spin and present the knife.

I'd hate to get into a tussle with a LEO because I don't wear Depends and wouldn't want to soil myself while laying on the floor twitching after being tazed.

 

[mrortega]

This Sheriff Dept. is as relaxed of a Sheriff Dept. as they come.

FIFY

 

[Titanium_Frost]

That update is ridiculous. So, if the officer stated over the phone (let's say that you're recording the call) and states that he placed his hand on another person's firearm, wouldn't he be admitting to assault? I believe if you touch an officer or their sidearm, the'll charge you with assaulting a police officer...

Also, for Destro's benefit, I'll be attempting to clear up any confusion he might have:



Definitions of included words:

Any - one or some indiscriminately of whatever kind.
Provision - a measure taken beforehand to deal with a need or contingency.
Of - used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation.
An - Indefinite Article.
Ordinance - An authoritative decree or direction.
Measure - An estimate of what is to be expected.
Enactment - The act of enacting : the state of being enacted.
Rule - A prescribed guide for conduct or action.
Or - Used as a function word to indicate an alternative.
Policy - A definite course or method of action selected from among alternatives and in light of given conditions.
Or - Used as a function word to indicate an alternative.
Exercise - The act of bringing into play or realizing in action.
Of - used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation.
Proprietary - One that possesses, owns, or holds exclusive right to something; specifically.
Authority - A conclusive statement or set of statements.
Of - used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation.
A - Indefinite Article.
Political - Of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government.
Subdivision - A subordinate part of a larger whole.
Or - Used as a function word to indicate an alternative.
Of - used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation.
An - Indefinite Article.
Employee - one employed by another usually for wages or salary and in a position below the executive level.
Or - Used as a function word to indicate an alternative.
Agent - Something that produces or is capable of producing an effect.
Of - used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation.
A - Indefinite Article.
Political - Of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government.
Subdivision - A subordinate part of a larger whole.
Acting - The act of taking action.
In - Used as a function word to indicate inclusion, location, or position within limits.
An - Indefinite Article.
Official - One who holds or is invested with an office.
Capacity - Duty, position, role.

Hope that clears things up?

I believe you just won the thread.

 

[SideArmed]

To answer a previous question.....no apparent written policy.

Interesting, so the MCSD doesn't have ANY official departmental policies or ANY standard operating procedures?

I find that hard to believe. Well I guess I will start my inquiry now. Hearing that apparently they have no written policy makes me want to know what thier official policy is even more.

 

[Annie Oakley]

The question as I understood it was about OC, not about "any" SOP's.

 

[theundeadelvis]

Wow, as someone who lives in downtown B-ton, thanks for sharing. At least I know what to expect if I experience anything similar. I wonder how the Sheriff's department's actions differ from how the BPD would have handled such a situation.

 

[Annie Oakley]

Most MCSD officers are going to check your LTCH, run your weapon and then send you on your way. I wouldn't expect BPD to act any differently. There are going to be LEO in any department who are going to express their personal opinions during such an encounter. You don't even want to know about a previous experience I had with BPD involving a weapon that was stolen from me.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Most MCSD officers are going to check your LTCH, run your weapon and then send you on your way. I wouldn't expect BPD to act any differently. There are going to be LEO in any department who are going to express their personal opinions during such an encounter. You don't even want to know about a previous experience I had with BPD involving a weapon that was stolen from me.

Violations of my rights will be met with appropriate subsequent actions.

 

[eldirector]

Most MCSD officers are going to check your LTCH, run your weapon and then send you on your way. I wouldn't expect BPD to act any differently. There are going to be LEO in any department who are going to express their personal opinions during such an encounter. You don't even want to know about a previous experience I had with BPD involving a weapon that was stolen from me.

Mine doesn't need the exercise.

Maybe the LEO could run me instead? I'm kinda out of shape.

 

[shibumiseeker]

Wow, as someone who lives in downtown B-ton, thanks for sharing. At least I know what to expect if I experience anything similar. I wonder how the Sheriff's department's actions differ from how the BPD would have handled such a situation.

As I posted from my interaction with BPD two decades ago, he asked for my DL, then asked if I was carrying a gun. Then he asked for my LTCH. After that he thanked me and left. That was a long time ago though.

 

[Rookie]

Mine doesn't need the exercise.

Maybe the LEO could run me instead? I'm kinda out of shape.

Round is a shape.

 

[SideArmed]

Most MCSD officers are going to check your LTCH, run your weapon and then send you on your way. I wouldn't expect BPD to act any differently. There are going to be LEO in any department who are going to express their personal opinions during such an encounter. You don't even want to know about a previous experience I had with BPD involving a weapon that was stolen from me.

The two responses below sum up my thoughts on the above post. Once my LTCH is validated, anything they do after that in regards to asking me about my weapon will be met with, "Am I being detained?" *blow kisses* "I do not consent to any search or seizure of my person or property" *blow kisses* "I will not resist, but do not consent to being disarmed" *blow kisses* Ect. Ect......

Violations of my rights will be met with appropriate subsequent actions.

Mine doesn't need the exercise.

Maybe the LEO could run me instead? I'm kinda out of shape.

 

[eldirector]

Round is a shape.

Hey, now! I resemble that remark.

 

[Bill B]

Round is [STRIKE]a[/STRIKE] the perfect shape.

FIFY

 

[Beau]

Round is a shape.

Originally Posted by Rookie
Round is a the perfect shape.

FIFY

Maybe if you're a doughnut.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Round is a shape.

But I'm not round. Is lumpy potato a shape?