Making a PPS50 full auto legally?

[preachere]

Anybody know where I can get a full-auto sear legally for my PPS50? I know they were/are made but can't seem to find one. What do they go for? I'm hoping to slide in the door of Class III on the cheap if I can.

Regards,
Eric

 

[mikea46996]

Something about 1986 comes to mind.....

You might wanna edit that post it could be considered as intent.....

You can legally purchase the sear if you do not own the firearm it goes in...


A class 3 device is considered to be a machine gun by the B.A.T.F. civilian users are only permitted devices manufactured (and registered) before 1986. Non-compliance with any of these requirements makes the mere possession of these items a felony, and a Federal crime, punishable by up to ten years in prison and a $10,000 fine. These devices require no permanent modification of the firearm, as would be required forInterestingly, these penalties are far more severe than those given to rapists, bank robbers, muggers, and even murderers.

 

[preachere]

I understand the ramifications of altering my firearm illegally, that's why I asked what was necessary to legally convert it to full auto. If a full auto sear was manufactured prior to 1986 it would be legal to install it in my PPS50, correct? I have absolutely NO intention of illegally converting my PPS50 and spending time in Club Fed.

Regards,
Eric

 

[mikea46996]

NO unless they firearm was manufactured as a full auto before 1986 it is NOT legal...

I think.... Where are all the NFA guys???

civilian users are only permitted devices manufactured (and registered) before 1986.

 

[4PWW9]

I've seen a few pre-86 registered receiver Bingham PPS50 .22's but none with registered sears. The only way you could legally make a PPS50 full-auto now days is to get a Type 7 FFL and SOT and then build or convert one yourself, as long as you hold the FFL w/SOT, you can keep the gun.

 

[4PWW9]

Holder's of Manufacturing Type FFL's (Type 7 & 10) with a Special Occupational Tax (SOT) can make machine guns and retain them as long as they hold the license. Besides obtaining the license, no prior approval is required by BATFE. Those machine guns can be sold/transfered only to Govt Entities or NFA dealers that obtain a demo letter.

 

[kyle1058]

I've never seen a pre-86 "sear" for a PPS. I've seen some "sears" like the RDIAS or lightning link that were serialized, stamped, with paperwork for an AR15, but I haven't seen just a sear for a PPS. You may be able to pick up a receiver but my bet is that everyone that has registerable receivers and they paid all the money for it, then it is a whole firearm. Very seldom do you find NFA auto-sears or tubes unless its with the whole gun..

I haven't really looked for any NFA items recently, however.. a bit out of my price range.

I didn't think you had intent on doing it illegally, but unless someone made a "sear" (I don't know the inner workings of a PPS50) that is stamped and comes on a Form 4, I really doubt you can do it legally without buying a whole gun. You can find sten's pretty reasonable...

Good luck in the search.

 

[Scutter01]

Tactical Innovations' website says they have a registered and transferable sear for $7850. I think you'd have to also have a registered pre-86 receiver as well, to be legal.

PPS50 - Tactical Innovations Inc.

 

[mikea46996]

Tactical Innovations' website says they have a registered and transferable sear for $7850. I think you'd have to also have a registered pre-86 receiver as well, to be legal.

PPS50 - Tactical Innovations Inc.

Cheap enough for you preachere????? lol Your wife was cool but I don't think she is that cool!!!

 

[preachere]

Thank you for all the replies.

Ken- My friend has a PPS50, like me, and is an 01 dealer. He did mention wanting to get his 07FFL and make his full auto. He hasn't replied to my PM yet asking what was necessary to convert legally so I decided to ask around what would be necessary to do so.

Now, say I DO get an 07FFL and SOT, what are the expenses of doing so? If the cost of one (getting an 07FFL and SOT) are much greater than getting another (buying a legal and transferrable PPS50) it would help make the decision for me.

Regards,
Eric

 

[preachere]

Cheap enough for you preachere????? lol Your wife was cool but I don't think she is that cool!!!

Thanks, but I'm still working on her- she'll come around soon enough. I know that I don't have anywhere near $8k to drop on a Class III firearm.........yet.

Regards,
Eric

 

[VUPDblue]

Tactical Innovations' website says they have a registered and transferable sear for $7850. I think you'd have to also have a registered pre-86 receiver as well, to be legal.

PPS50 - Tactical Innovations Inc.

Nope, in this case the sear would be the registered part. Like an RDIAS for an AR...

 

[KokomoDave]

There are registered sears for H&K's too. Mine was good for .22,9mm,.223 and .308!