James Yeager: Lever Guns for Defense

[Sylvain]

WARNING THIS VIDEO CONTAINS JAMES YEAGER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI296kJjlrI&feature=g-high-u

"These certainly work better than 1911s"
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[chezuki]

Wow, I think he forgot the adderall before making this one.

 

[VERT]

I purchased a Marlin 1894c a few years ago for deer hunting, recreational shooting and because I felt that it could be pressed into service as a working practical carbine. At the time Mrs. VERT would not let me buy an AR-15.

 

[kawtech87]

Everyone seems to forget that before the AR-15 there were other rifles used in war besides the Mosin Nagant and AK-47.

Lever actions were the "black rifles" of thier day. Just ask the US Calvary or the Cherokee how effective the Winchester repeating rifle was in battle.

Thier viability as a SHTF rifle and thier usefullness in battle still exsists today, its just been over shadowed and surpassed by modern technology.

 

[6mm Shoot]

Kawtech87 I could not have said it better. In there hay day they were state of the art. The 30-30 was state of the art then and it is still deadlier than the 223 that we use today.

 

[kawtech87]

Kawtech87 I could not have said it better. In there hay day they were state of the art. The 30-30 was state of the art then and it is still deadlier than the 223 that we use today.

That is debatable.

Owning both i would have to say It would ruin my day to get hit by either of them center mass.

 

[Tombs]

I'd run my 1895 through a class just for the hell of it...

I think I'd need hospitalization with my loads after that much shooting though.

 

[jeremy]

Kawtech87 I could not have said it better. In there hay day they were state of the art. The 30-30 was state of the art then and it is still deadlier than the 223 that we use today.

 

[kawtech87]

I guess I dont get the joke. 30-30 will kill anything a 5.56mm will. 30-30 just doesnt have the range that 5.56mm does. But out to about 150-200 yrds with Hornady Leverloution ammo its a hell of a medium game round. .223 is a much better Varmint round and will go farther and is more acurate at distance. But I wont say one is more deadly than the other, I think for thier intended purposes both are highly effective.

 

[Principal Skinr]

Lever-Lution??? After correcting for "HornaDAY" he says Lever-LUTION?


Love those lever guns!

 

[torque_and_recoil]

Depending on individual needs, a scout scope can be pretty handy on a lever gun.

Of course, a good ghost ring will probably do just as well (if not better) for a "home defense" rifle.

 

[jeremy]

I guess I dont get the joke. 30-30 will kill anything a 5.56mm will. 30-30 just doesnt have the range that 5.56mm does. But out to about 150-200 yrds with Hornady Leverloution ammo its a hell of a medium game round. .223 is a much better Varmint round and will go farther and is more acurate at distance. But I wont say one is more deadly than the other, I think for thier intended purposes both are highly effective.

Has to do with the power of the 30-30, and the lack of ability of the 5.56....

 

[kawtech87]

Has to do with the power of the 30-30, and the lack of ability of the 5.56....

Care to elaborate?

What are you trying to do with a 5.56 that it will not do? Moose hunting?

Or are you trying to kill Yeager's ego?

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

Care to elaborate?

What are you trying to do with a 5.56 that it will not do? Moose hunting?

Or are you trying to kill Yeager's ego?

The 30-30 has more energy than a 5.56. This translates to being more "effective" at a distance, since at 400 yards - it still has more energy. If you hit something with a 30-30, it will likely deliver more energy than a comparable 5.56 round.

It does fall out of the sky like a softball, and the 5.56 has that on it - but claiming that the 5.56 is more effective at a distance is something that I do not understand.

 

[kawtech87]

The 30-30 has more energy than a 5.56. This translates to being more "effective" at a distance, since at 400 yards - it still has more energy.

It does fall out of the sky like a softball, and the 5.56 has that on it - but claiming that the 5.56 is more effective at a distance is something I do not understand.

But will 30-30 still be on target at 400 yds? Doubtfull Im not saying its impossible and yes a bigger heavier bullet will have more kinetic energy to spare but in my experiance 30-30 with flat nose ammo drops like a stone after about 150yds. Hornady ammo solves this problem though and Ive heard tails of 300+ yd shots with 30-30 thanks to leverevolution ammo.

Also I never said 5.56 is more "effective" at distance I said it is more accurate.

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

But will 30-30 still be on target at 400 yds? Doubtfull Im not saying its impossible and yes a bigger heavier bullet will have more kinetic energy to spare but in my experiance 30-30 with flat nose ammo drops like a stone after about 150yds. Hornady ammo solves this problem though and Ive heard tails of 300+ yd shots with 30-30 thanks to leverevolution ammo.

Also I never said 5.56 is more "effective" at distance I said it is more accurate.

Meh, true accuracy generally takes into account bullet drop. If a round drops like a brick, but holds a consistent group - it is accurate. This means a shooter has to calculate more drop - but that is the duty of the rifleman, and does not make the bullet "less accurate".

Also take into account - lighter rounds generally get drifted more by wind.

It really is an apples to oranges comparison, but has been discussed in depth on a few hunting forums - as both rounds are common deer calibers in other states (just not IN).

 

[CTS]

I just recently got a Marlin 39A and it's being cleaned and fixed up at Mike Sweeney's shop in Decatur (along w/a Plainfield M1)...I've been itching to try it out.

 

[kawtech87]

Meh, true accuracy generally takes into account bullet drop. If a round drops like a brick, but holds a consistent group - it is accurate. This means a shooter has to calculate more drop - but that is the duty of the rifleman, and does not make the bullet "less accurate".

Also take into account - lighter rounds generally get drifted more by wind.

It really is an apples to oranges comparison, but has been discussed in depth on a few hunting forums - as both rounds are common deer calibers in other states (just not IN).

Yep very true.

Also this really isnt really a disscussion about the rounds each platform fires its about the platforms as a whole.

Sorry for getting off topic. I think a lever action rifle could still hold its own in a SHTF scenario and would be more effective in a battle field than most would probably give it credit for. But Im no soldier so what I think is just that.

But given the choice I would choose my M1A over my Marlin 336 to go into battle with.

 

[Fordtough25]

My Marlin 336 is great out to 325 yards, part that who knows I don't think the 30-30 was made for long distance shooting. I love both my ever actions and wouldn't feel bad at all having it as my self defense tool.

 

[Fordtough25]

Refreshing a neat video and topic.