ISP Trooper suffers Accidental Discharge

[DoggyDaddy]

Meh, we'll get rid of these when they put Robocops in patrol cars. Until then... I see 3-4 of these a week just on my shift alone (non LE). It's very common these days.

People getting shot by another person's keys??

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Accidental, huh? It's still negligence, whether it's a cop or not.

Accidental and negligent refer to different components and are not mutually exclusive. I'm not sure why popular gunternet culture has made this a thing. It's like arguing if something is blue or rough textured. It can be both or neither and each is independently determined.

If I intentionally fire a gun with an improper backstop and people behind my target, that's negligent even though it was not accidental.

If I double fire a heavy magnum revolver due to recoil but do so into a 30' berm, the second shot is accidental but not negligent.

If I am playing with my pistol in the back seat because "it's unloaded" and put one through the front seat when it turned out to not be that's both accidental and negligent.

I tend to just bypass the whole thing and refer to them as UDs, Unintended Discharges, and then negligent or non-negligent depending.

 

[bwframe]

Is it really "shooting yourself" when it was the hanging keys from the person sitting next to you that when they stood up, fired the gun? LOL

My apologies. I misphrased that. Officer was shot with a holstered weapon, due to freek accident...

...again.


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[bgcatty]

Meh, we'll get rid of these when they put Robocops in patrol cars. Until then... I see 3-4 of these a week just on my shift alone (non LE). It's very common these days.

Say what? Seriously?

 

[Pin]

Was it a sig 320?

 

[Sigblitz]

Say what? Seriously?

Yes. Robos.

Watch out Sarah Conner.

 

[Bugzilla]

Maybe he saw that raccoon with his head in a mayo jar from another post and is too embarrassed to say he was just trying to help!

 

[Brad69]

Got nothing

Carried a M9 many times and a 1911 never shot myself?

 

[ECS686]

Could be the same deal as the IMPD officer that shot themself at the funeral for a fallen officer some years back.

Safariland light bearing holsters (and others,) have a pretty wide gap around the trigger at the trigger guard. It's the nature of the beast with a lot of modern weapon lights, especially Surefires.

If ancillary (like keys,) finds a way into that wide gap, it can easily lever that trigger to go bang. It's what happened to the IMPD officer, IIRC.

Hard to say whose negligence that is, eh?

Shooting during police funeral came from holstered gun

IMPD Det. Tom Lehn described the incident as a "freak accident" and "something highly unusual in my 31 years in law enforcement."

www.wthr.com

Post in thread 'Southport Officer Shot' https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/southport-officer-shot.440349/post-7188508

From what Balid Trainers I know there was several ADs when folks tried holstering non WML equipped guns (usually striker fired) in WML holsters.

Was that the case with the IMPD AD???

 

[DataGeek19]

It was either their duty weapon, a Sig P227 .45, or possibly their backup weapon a Sig P365 9mm. After issuing the backup four years ago, personal weapons are no longer allowed while on duty.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Not fully verified but reliable source: P365 fell from the flight suit breast pocket as he was getting out.

If he tried to catch it on the way down, it got caught in something, or a drop safe failure I do not know.

 

[bwframe]

From what Balid Trainers I know there was several ADs when folks tried holstering non WML equipped guns (usually striker fired) in WML holsters.

Was that the case with the IMPD AD???

No. It was close seating and one officers keys on the belt found their way into the other officer's holster. They stood up and levered the trigger to be pulled.

No idea what caused the ISP officer's discharge. Seeing everyone blaming the officer though, I wanted to pass along this other possibility.

Some light bearing pistol holsters are vulnerable to AD's.


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[Blackhawk2001]

Most helicopters have at least a 4-pt seat/shoulder harness; some have a 5-pt (strap between legs). Makes getting in/out/strapped/unstrapped a chancy operation; especially if one gets in a hurry. Not surprised to hear it might have been a backup pistol in a chest pocket, but I am a bit surprised that someone would pocket carry ANY pistol without a holster; especially in a helicopter.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Most helicopters have at least a 4-pt seat/shoulder harness; some have a 5-pt (strap between legs). Makes getting in/out/strapped/unstrapped a chancy operation; especially if one gets in a hurry. Not surprised to hear it might have been a backup pistol in a chest pocket, but I am a bit surprised that someone would pocket carry ANY pistol without a holster; especially in a helicopter.

Could have been some sort of pocket holster/sticky holster it slipped out of, though it could not have been. I don't know.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Could have been some sort of pocket holster/sticky holster it slipped out of, though it could not have been. I don't know.

Typical flight coverall breast pocket would be a pretty tight fit for just a P365 ( I realize this is all just speculation). The couple ISP pilots I knew back in our Guard days carried their Beretta .380 backup in shoulder holsters when flying, IIRC.

 

[Ark]

Are ISP pilots concerned they're going to be shot down over Green County and hunted through the woods by the banjo gang?

 

[KellyinAvon]

Meh, we'll get rid of these when they put Robocops in patrol cars. Until then... I see 3-4 of these a week just on my shift alone (non LE). It's very common these days.

3-4

^^This!!^^ How many of these are sweatpants waistband/stendo mag carry related?

 

[Disposable Heart]

Maybe.

Guns do fire accidently. Hey, have I ever told you guys about the 870 at Shootrite?

Just strange, ISP still has P227s so . . . long first pull, but does not mean anything with his body weight.

(Ian Malcom voice) This isn't about weapons that were eliminated by patrol carbines or the building of a non-fudd culture...Shotguns...uhh....Shotguns...HAD...their chance...

I did have a well worn Mossberg 500 that discharged from a strong buttstroke to the ground. Admittedly, it had thousands upon thousands of rounds through it and lots of dry firing, so the sear surfaces were worn to a nub.

But a holstered, modern service pistol is a pretty far stretch to go boom "by themselfs"

 

[Twangbanger]

Are ISP pilots concerned they're going to be shot down over Green County and hunted through the woods by the banjo gang?

If you stall/autorotate on base leg over Freddy's, it's a long slog through the mean intersections and Starvin Marvins of Greenwood.

 

[TheGrumpyGuy]

Are ISP pilots concerned they're going to be shot down over Green Johnson County and hunted through the woods by the banjo gang?

FIFY

and the answer is yes