Hold on a minute....

[causerofwait]

$200 isn't chump change but I don't think you'll miss it in the future if you are never able to buy any more ammo. What is everyone going to do if there is an all out ban or whatever event to prevent us from ever being able to buy ammo at retail again? If you think individuals are trying to gouge now, what will their prices be in the future?

If there is an "all out ban" and we can "never buy any more ammo", would the bullets you have made/bought/stockpiled be legal?

I don't like high prices any more than the next guy but I also know that complaining about them doesn't drop the price one bit. Prices are what they are and markets are what they are. I'd rather pay $20 for a single round than have the obamanation put price controls on or eliminate our free market economy.

I really don't think Obama (personaly) had anything to do with the price increases. It seems more like people taking advantage of people in a difficult situation too me. The same thing happened in 1994 with guns and ammo because of Clinton, didn't it? Then after a 9-10 months the price fell back to "normal". Do you have some $20 bullets left over from the '90's? Reminds me of the Christmas time gouging on the "___" (insert "must have" item here). "Hot Product" only cost $x but since people know that someone "has" to have it they will buy it (even though they don't even want it) and sell it for many multiples of $x. I think we must strongly disagree on what "free-markets" are. You assume I am a socialist because I don't like price gouging and call yourself a captialist because you don't see anything wrong with it. I'm the first to admint that I don't have any degrees in Economics but there are things in this world that don't require classroom instruction to understand. I would feel completely different about this ammo price increase if it was increased by the manufacturer due to costs or demand but since I know that they aren't the ones responsible for it that leaves people who did nothing to produce it gouging others who want it.

Everyone on here seems to want 380 ammo and I have listed some for sale but nobody wants to pay anything for it. I'm asking more than a fair market price for today's standards and you would think I was trying to sell everyone the plague on here.

I guess the free market is speaking. The price must be too high

 

[hornadylnl]

If there is an "all out ban" and we can "never buy any more ammo", would the bullets you have made/bought/stockpiled be legal?

I doubt it. The encoded ammo bill introduced in Indiana as written would have made all uncoded ammo illegal after 2011 and you would have to destroy it.

I really don't think Obama (personaly) had anything to do with the price increases. It seems more like people taking advantage of people in a difficult situation too me. The same thing happened in 1994 with guns and ammo because of Clinton, didn't it? Then after a 9-10 months the price fell back to "normal". Do you have some $20 bullets left over from the '90's?

What would all the preban stuff still be worth if the AWB hadn't sun setted? I was still in school in the early to mid 90's and in the Army in the late 90's so I wasn't really buying anything during that time but I do remember what the prices were doing. They were insane but again, that is market forces at work.

Reminds me of the Christmas time gouging on the "___" (insert "must have" item here). "Hot Product" only cost but since people know that someone "has" to have it they will buy it (even though they don't even want it) and sell it for many multiples of .

That's the price to pay if you wait til Dec. 24th to buy the tickle me elmo for your kids. It isn't worth it to me so I don't pay it. If you pay it to give your kid the perfect gift on Christmas, I worry about the message that it sends to your children, especially if they no longer believe in Santa Claus. What does it tell your children if you waste hundreds of dollars on a toy when there are more responsible things to do with your money?

I think we must strongly disagree on what "free-markets" are. You assume I am a socialist because I don't like price gouging and call yourself a captialist because you don't see anything wrong with it. I'm the first to admint that I don't have any degrees in Economics but there are things in this world that don't require classroom instruction to understand. I would feel completely different about this ammo price increase if it was increased by the manufacturer due to costs or demand but since I know that they aren't the ones responsible for it that leaves people who did nothing to produce it gouging others who want it.

Ever heard of commodities? Why is a freakin piece of carboard 2"x4" with some ink on it that is 50 or more years old worth $1000's? A free market economy doesn't always value things by what it cost to produce them. Baseball cards are a perfect example. Do you buy anything for investments?

If we become a third world nation and no longer have grocery stores to buy food and people are starving, what price would you put on your last can of food you have? I would hope you wouldn't sell it for any amount of money in the world because it wouldn't do you any good if you starve to death a few days later.

I guess the free market is speaking. The price must be too high

It may be too high here as most here still think they should have to pay summer 2008 prices for everything. Go to gunbroker and see what 380 ammo is going for. There are auctions of 100 rounds of JHP that I've never even heard of going for $70 + $9.95 shipping so that breaks down to $40 a box of 50. Then check to see what Silvertips are going for. I just checked their completed auctions by searching 380 ammo 85 and came up with 2 auctions. 1 ended at $40 + $7 shipping and the other at $73 + $7 shipping. Remington 88 JHP's are going at over $100 per 100. I have a box of silvertips, a box of Rem 88 JHP's and a box of Blazer 88 JHP's for $100. That's $33.33 a box so I'm well below Gunbroker prices.

You guys can moan about Gunbroker's prices all you want but it is another part of the market place. The buyers on there aren't in their own little world just throwing their money away willie nillie. If they could find that ammo in another place for less money, they wouldn't be bidding it up to these prices. If you are in the market for a particular item, do you ever check ebay to see if you can get it cheaper than a local store? Low auction prices also help to lower prices of goods in stores. I'm sure there are many retailers who would like to see websites like Ebay shut down to cut down on competition.

Apparantly my price is too high for INGO and I'm perfectly okay with that. You see pricing goes 2 ways. You will only pay what you are willing to pay. I will only sell for what I'm willing to sell for. I'll tell you the truth. I got the ammo in my add absolutely free. I've set my price at $100. The price tags on the boxes say $6.95, $10.75, and $13.50. Am I a bastard for wanting $100 for these 3 boxes that originally cost $31.20? You see, at this time, these 3 boxes are worth $100 to me. If I didn't have any food in my cabinets, money to pay this month's bills, etc, I'd be more willing to sell at a lower price as eating and paying my bills would be worth more than 3 boxes of ammo sitting in my cabinet. Do you really care why someone needs the money when they sell you something? Aren't you willing to buy that boat at a huge discount off of the recently laid off worker who needs the money to make his mortgage payment? Why is taking advantage of a seller's financial hardship any worse than a seller taking advantage of a buyer's inability to find what he wants? It's a 2 way street.

All I'm asking is for everyone here who is upset by high ammo prices and perceived gouging to do is separate their emotions from the facts. My feelings tell me that I want my employer to pay me $100 an hour while reducing the price of their product going out the door so I can buy it cheaper but reality tells me that it doesn't work.

 

[p0sitive1]

There a guy here in Evansville calling all the area Walmarts everyday to see if they got anything in, and when they do he goes in and buys it all if they let him. This morning eastside had a limit of 5 on .380 and I'm glad to see it. I think its all demand driven by all gun loving people being paranoid about a dem controled house/senate/white house, and rightly so, along with Bush-ruined economy and republican party causing more people to feel insecure and look for security in the gun. Anyone who thinks manufacturers can increase capacity at the drop of a hat clearly isn't qualified to speak on such things. So if people talking about what they don't know about is conspiracy, then we've got a lot of that for sure!
This morning I was glad to see on the news that Obama doesn't plan to re-up the AWB, and that enforcing existing laws made more sense than making more laws. I sure never expect to hear him utter NRA speak! Maybe there is reason to hope this demand thing will pass like the $4/gal gas prices did.

 

[Claddagh]

For myself, I'm not particularly worried about the prospects of aan outright ban or the possibility that draconian "ex post facto" provisions might be incorporated in "microencoding" statutes on ammo and/or components.

What I truly fear is most likely to happen is that, as we've already seen with tobacco and may very well be about to see with alcohol, is the use of the power to tax as a means of "discouraging" people from engaging in "harmful" activities.

Did you ever hear any of the various flavors Behavior Nazi arguing that a huge tax or an outright ban be imposed on anything because "it's something I do that I know is "wrong" or "bad for me" so please do this so I can't do it anymore."?