Health Care Mandate To Be Declared Null an Void.

[gunworks321]

Are we answering this question based on the true intent of those who gave it to us or the intent of those who gave us the ones who gave it to us? (Confused yet?)

IOW, we all know it wasn't the intent of the authors and power-players to lift up the poor, but that's what they used to sell it. And because of that fact, I think there are quite literally millions of people who supported it thinking it would do just that.

This is quite telling. It has never been proven successful that you can lift up the poor by taking from the rich. The end result is you destroy the folks in the middle and you end up with a greater number of working poor.
I have worked hard all my life, saved, bought a house, pay my bills on time, etc. And now I get something I never asked for and will have to decide what gets eliminated to be able to afford it. Less disposable income means fewer nights out with the wife, no newer car (my newest is 13 yrs old), more chicken and less steak (probably better for my health), vacations are now staycations, less range time, less ammo to buy, no new gun purchases (maybe selling off some). The ripple effects of millions doing the same thing will have serious and long lasting effects on our nation.

 

[lucky4034]

Where I work, all of the full time 40 hour employees have been cut to 29.5 hours also. Has not affected the salaried personnel yet though. This is how the company will get past paying for healthcare for anyone as they will be under the magic number of full time employees. This law is going to destroy peoples lives and their ability to earn a decent wage.

Yeah... but think of how many jobs its going to create? More workers... less hours EACH


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[Baditude]

Even if Obamacare was Null and void we would still see significant increases in health care premiums.

 

[88GT]

Even if Obamacare was Null and void we would still see significant increases in health care premiums.

Why do you think that is, I suppose.

 

[kludge]

Yeah... but think of how many jobs its going to create? More workers... less hours EACH

I predict unemployment numbers to go up as a result.

A lower income worker who works 40 hours and gets some health care benefits and maybe some overtime has no incentive to work another job. Now that same person will have to work two 29-hour-a-week jobs in order to pay the bills AND pay for health care, thus when two such full-time employees get their hours cut, one of them will soon be out of a job.

Or wages will go down as a result of increased competition, and the $12/hour job becomes an $11/hour job and a $11/hour job becomes a $10/hour job.

And forget overtime.

Yes, the ripples in the economy will be very large indeed.

 

[Mgderf]

I saw poll results just a week or so ago, maybe Pew, maybe not, but the poll said that 42% of Americans polled did NOT know that Obamacare was law!

There's a very big epiphany in store for the uneducated masses.

Mike Huckabee says he doesn't think Obama will finish out his second term. If he's right, this will be a contributing factor.

 

[Spazzmodicus]

"........Mike Huckabee says he doesn't think Obama will finish out his second term. If he's right, this will be a contributing factor."

Hopefully the bill to impeach Nobama will pick up some steam........and steamroll right over him.

 

[HenryWallace]

The IRS I don't believe is supposed to exist in the first place...
When It Comes to Health-Care Reform, the IRS Rules
So will this be a ghost entity driving a ghost machine?? Or is this reasoning for a 2billion and 750million, thirty day turn around big bullet buy? The IRS will be enforcing these new taxes... whether they're laws or not. Somewhat like they already do.

 

[WileECoyotee]

I predict unemployment numbers to go up as a result.

A lower income worker who works 40 hours and gets some health care benefits and maybe some overtime has no incentive to work another job. Now that same person will have to work two 29-hour-a-week jobs in order to pay the bills AND pay for health care, thus when two such full-time employees get their hours cut, one of them will soon be out of a job.

Or wages will go down as a result of increased competition, and the $12/hour job becomes an $11/hour job and a $11/hour job becomes a $10/hour job.

And forget overtime.

Yes, the ripples in the economy will be very large indeed.

Is this not whats been happening for years already ?

Companies hiring temp workers instead of full time employees so they can pay lower wages and no benefits . companies getting big tax breaks on their expansions and investments from the taxpayers .
The median wage has been stagnant but look at the new DOW record over 15000 points !

Where's the ripple effect for all that's already happened ?

The things I've described have been happening before any thought of Healthcare reform or Obama . If Wall Street is doing well that's all that matters to some .

The biggest winners here are the Insurance Industry & the healthcare company's , they get to set their own prices and you have to pay now no matter what .
The insurance companies are going to be guaranteed a premium which they get to set the rate for knowing that the Gov. will subsidize what people can't afford , the hospitals and clinics will then set their prices higher looking to get a cut from the Insurance company .

This is the way Corporate America is Suppose to run , and we should all be Dancing in the streets .

 

[Bapak2ja]

IUPUI is cutting back all the hours of the adjunct professors to 29 hours. Now they will have to get a job at 3 different schools to make ends meet.

Funny, since universities are bastions of liberalism/progressivism/socialism.

How do you like Obamacare now?

A lot of people are getting ready to answer that question soon!

Yep, and all 11,000,000 of those illegal aliens are going to vote twice for every Democrat on the ballot. Is it spelled F-I-N-I-S-H-E-D or O-V-E-R?

The USA had a great run but the politicians finally figured out how to give themselves permanent status and power by bribing the electorate and flooding the voting box with fraudulent ballots. Open borders, open voting booths, open marriage, open welfare roles, open wallets to endless taxes—open grave for freedom, liberty and the Constitution.

 

[patience0830]

Wisconsin called, they left a message telling INGO that this won't work, a second time.

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Yup. But it's the thought that counts. At least this time the Mason- Dixon line will not count for much.

 

[Bapak2ja]

I saw poll results just a week or so ago, maybe Pew, maybe not, but the poll said that 42% of Americans polled did NOT know that Obamacare was law!

There's a very big epiphany in store for the uneducated masses.

Mike Huckabee says he doesn't think Obama will finish out his second term. If he's right, this will be a contributing factor.

Hopefully the bill to impeach Nobama will pick up some steam........and steamroll right over him.

Impeach Hussein and you get Biden. You can replace a liar with a fool, but you still have the same ruling class determined to establish themselves as the permanent American aristocracy.

 

[Leo]

Biden is such a joke that even the most most hard core Dems openly laugh at him. If obummer gets disqualified, when Biden gets to sit in the oval office, he will just be a warm body. There will be no white house power grab as he sits twiddling his thumbs. That will probably be the best thing for the good of this great republic.

 

[jon5212]

Does anyone know the main driver of why insurance in general is so expensive? One word, Fraud. There is rampant fraud in auto/home and medical insurance. Medical being a very large percent. People get away with it if insurance companies can't prove the fraud they have to pay.

I know a lot of people consider insurance companies the devil, but I ask you this, Do you have 100 grand or 500 grand cash laying around when you cause an accident and injury somebody? I'm guessing not. But if we were able to crack down on rampant fraud we can fix a lot of things.

 

[Leo]

Does anyone know the main driver of why insurance in general is so expensive? One word, Fraud. There is rampant fraud in auto/home and medical insurance. Medical being a very large percent. People get away with it if insurance companies can't prove the fraud they have to pay.

I know a lot of people consider insurance companies the devil, but I ask you this, Do you have 100 grand or 500 grand cash laying around when you cause an accident and injury somebody? I'm guessing not. But if we were able to crack down on rampant fraud we can fix a lot of things.

I think you are right, fraud is on all levels. We are fighting fraud by a Hospital in TN right now. While Passing through on a trip, the Mrs. got a bad case of Pink eye. It was the Saturday before New Years day and everything was closed. We stopped into the hospital emergency room and asked if their was someone who could write a script for pink eye medicine. A Dr. came to the room, and stood in the doorway, saying "It looks like pink eye to me" wrote a prescription and walked out.

Since their billing people were not there, we paid one hundred dollars and they said "if it is more, we'll bill you". I now have a bill for an additional $1036.00. I called thinking it was a mistake, but they said the bill was right and we better pay up!!! If the Insurance hadn't refused to pay, we would have never seen the bill, and that hospital would have easily received $1136.00 for basically nothing.

If they had pulled a gun and demanded my wallet and the keys to my car, I could have at least had a chance to fight back.