Health Care Mandate To Be Declared Null an Void.

[gunworks321]

South Carolina has it right. The State House has voted to declare Obama Care Null and Void and the State Senate is expected to also pass the bill. Governor Haley is also expected to sign it into law. If enough states did this, would it not wither on the vine and become a non issue? How many states would it take to kill this thing? I can't afford it and I can't afford the tax for non-compliance either.

 

[Rick60]

I work at IU Bloomington ... We are losing our hourly workers because of this bill... They can only work 29 hours and then IU has to pay them benefits... This has screwed them and us full time employee's up!!!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Wisconsin called, they left a message telling INGO that this won't work, a second time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ableman_v._Booth

 

[gunworks321]

I work at IU Bloomington ... We are losing our hourly workers because of this bill... They can only work 29 hours and then IU has to pay them benefits... This has screwed them and us full time employee's up!!!

Where I work, all of the full time 40 hour employees have been cut to 29.5 hours also. Has not affected the salaried personnel yet though. This is how the company will get past paying for healthcare for anyone as they will be under the magic number of full time employees. This law is going to destroy peoples lives and their ability to earn a decent wage.

 

[gunworks321]

Wisconsin called, they left a message telling INGO that this won't work, a second time.

Ableman v. Booth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since this is a legislative action by SC and not a court decision, does that make a difference? I suppose this falls under the same rules stating that the states can't secede either. Does the 10th Amendment even apply anymore?

 

[kludge]

IUPUI is cutting back all the hours of the adjunct professors to 29 hours. Now they will have to get a job at 3 different schools to make ends meet.

Funny, since universities are bastions of liberalism/progressivism/socialism.

How do you like Obamacare now?

 

[wtfd661]

IUPUI is cutting back all the hours of the adjunct professors to 29 hours. Now they will have to get a job at 3 different schools to make ends meet.

Funny, since universities are bastions of liberalism/progressivism/socialism.

How do you like Obamacare now?

A lot of people are getting ready to answer that question soon!

 

[MikeDVB]

Anybody who thinks businesses won't cut people down to 29 hours to avoid the tax/overhead of expensive insurance benefits obviously hasn't run a business or been involved in management of a business.

If the federal government mandated that anybody working more than 15 hours had to be paid $100/hour and anybody under 15 hours had to only be paid $15/hour - you can bet your rear end, unless my employees are already making more than $100/hour, that everybody would get cut to 14.5 hours/week and I would bring on more staff. The argument I can see from supporters of the bill is, "That will give more people jobs!" Well what about industries where skilled workers are hard to find as-is? Those that do get jobs because of this bill will be getting low-hour positions - they could get the same thing now at McDonalds if they weren't lazy.

I'm all for helping my employees out however I can but if a new federal law is going to put a business out of business - that does nobody any good... I think my employees would prefer 14.5 hours/week at $15/hour over 0 hours/week at $0/hour but I think we would all much prefer if the government would stop mandating things like healthcare.

I guess the two things that really get me are:
1. The government telling me how to operate my business any more than it already does.
2. People who are too lazy to work for a living - sure, they could get a job at McDonalds or Burger King but they don't want to.

Don't get me wrong - there are those that are literally disabled and incapable of working/holding a job and I don't really have an issue with us, as a society, helping them out - but those who are capable of working - should work if they need money.

 

[edporch]

South Carolina has it right. The State House has voted to declare Obama Care Null and Void and the State Senate is expected to also pass the bill. Governor Haley is also expected to sign it into law. If enough states did this, would it not wither on the vine and become a non issue? How many states would it take to kill this thing? I can't afford it and I can't afford the tax for non-compliance either.

But what happens when SC residents who don't have health insurance, don't pay the Federal tax/penalty on their Federal tax return?

Won't the IRS still take action against these individuals on the Federal level?

 

[Leo]

Obummer care is not even fully in place and it is ending up EXACTLY like was predicted before the socialists got it voted into place. By promising that everyone had the same benefits, it did not lift up the poor, but bring down the productive.

It is ending up that those productive people who had benefits will now get the same welfare class benefits as those who want to sit under a bridge drinking ripple from a paper sack and collecting welfare. Of course the government "servants"of the people will be gitting top shelf care for them and theirs.

 

[johnny45]

South Carolina has it right.

This would be the second time South Carolina had it right.

 

[zippy23]

We need our state to do this very thing. 2014 is going to be a nightmare, i cant imagine the debt we will be in by the time obama is done, that is of course if they dont vote him into a third term

 

[Mango]

Obummer care is not even fully in place and it is ending up EXACTLY like was predicted before the socialists got it voted into place. By promising that everyone had the same benefits, it did not lift up the poor, but bring down the productive.

It is ending up that those productive people who had benefits will now get the same welfare class benefits as those who want to sit under a bridge drinking ripple from a paper sack and collecting welfare. Of course the government "servants"of the people will be gitting top shelf care for them and theirs.

This is a feature, not a bug.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

They dropped the part of the bill that criminalized enforcement, which is good. You can't put people in a legal catch-22 where they can be arrested regardless of their actions.

If they are willing to give people a state income tax credit for the amount they have to pay in penalties to the IRS, then I have a lot of respect for the bill's author. At least he's putting the state's budget where its mouth is by evening out the total tax burden of its citizens. That's far from a nullification, though.

 

[Pinchaser]

But what happens when SC residents who don't have health insurance, don't pay the Federal tax/penalty on their Federal tax return?

Won't the IRS still take action against these individuals on the Federal level?

You bet they will. SC's legislation is nothing but pandering to local voters. It's fool's gold.

 

[Spazzmodicus]

. ".....This law is going to destroy peoples lives and their ability to earn a decent wage......"

This is the sole purpose of Obama's policies and orders. He is NOT for America. He wants to destroy America.

 

[Caleb]

Wisconsin called, they left a message telling INGO that this won't work, a second time.

Ableman v. Booth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Technically speaking you are correct, however I've read somewhere that Alabama Supreme Court is taking another hack at Obama's eligibility of being a president.

A law such as Obamacare, has to be signed by a legal president, no? What happens to obamacare should obama were to be declared an illegitimate president?

Logic tells me that obamacare would be null and void as it was signed by a illegitimate president.

 

[88GT]

Anybody who thinks businesses won't cut people down to 29 hours to avoid the tax/overhead of expensive insurance benefits obviously hasn't run a business or been involved in management of a business.

Now who does that remind me of?

 

[kludge]

Obummer care is not even fully in place and it is ending up EXACTLY like was predicted before the socialists got it voted into place. By promising that everyone had the same benefits, it did not lift up the poor, but bring down the productive.

It is ending up that those productive people who had benefits will now get the same welfare class benefits as those who want to sit under a bridge drinking ripple from a paper sack and collecting welfare. Of course the government "servants"of the people will be gitting top shelf care for them and theirs.

Just to play devil's advocate... do you really think the intent was to lift up the poor?

 

[88GT]

Just to play devil's advocate... do you really think the intent was to lift up the poor?

Are we answering this question based on the true intent of those who gave it to us or the intent of those who gave us the ones who gave it to us? (Confused yet?)

IOW, we all know it wasn't the intent of the authors and power-players to lift up the poor, but that's what they used to sell it. And because of that fact, I think there are quite literally millions of people who supported it thinking it would do just that.